[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model
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Daniel Pearson
daniel at privatesystems.net
Fri Sep 23 14:27:04 CEST 2016
Robin, Not to be rude, but we've already explained why this is not possible for RIPE to do several times in this thread both from a financial and legal perspective. Daniel~ On 09/23/2016 05:30 AM, Robin Johansson wrote: > Hi, > > If we are to base membership fees on resources then the only way that > makes sense today is to make it really expensive if you're not giving > your subscribers ipv6 addresses. > > Could even have it with multiple tiers > majority of subs singlestacked ipv4: really expensive > majority dualstacked: fairly cheap > majority of subs singlestacked ipv6: really cheap > > This makes it very easy for all the new "small" LIRs to reach the > fairly cheap fee, as they don't have a lot of subscribers to > dualstack. And it gives incentive for every LIR to at least dualstack, > maybe move away from ipv4 all together. Also to ensure that their > subscriber base have modern equipment capable of handling ipv6. > > The final /22 ipv4 is enough to serve huge numbers of eyeball > subscribers, if used wisely for supporting services and nat64 pools > (or similar technology). > And as more and more services get ipv6 the number of subscribers > served through those pools can be increased even further. > > /Robin > > On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 18:51 +0200, Tim Armstrong wrote: >> >> Rather than bickering over the last scraps of IPv4, saving smaller >> LIRs a few hundred euros, attempting to somehow screw the older LIRs, >> or three at the same time. Wouldn't our time be better spent working >> out ways to improve end user adoption of IPv6? >> >> I'd like to propose RIPE set up a fund (summer of code style) for the >> implementation of native IPv6 support in open-source software (such >> as cloudsta k, etc) and simplifying end-user adoption. Perhaps we >> should even offer a free public IPv6 tunnel service for natural >> persons similar to the service currently offered by hurricane electric. >> >> -Tim >> >> >> On 22 Sep 2016 6:13 p.m., "Floris Bos" <bos at je-eigen-domein.nl >> <mailto:bos at je-eigen-domein.nl>> wrote: >>> On 09/22/2016 01:57 PM, Daniel Pearson wrote: >>>> I'm not saying that a discussion is bad, but I'm simply saying that >>>> most of the discussions are being had are not based on fact. >>>> >>>> To my knowledge RIPE doesn't have a list of members categorized by >>>> assignment size, so this is something that someone would need to >>>> parse the RIPE db for, it's all public record so it can be done. >>>> >>> >>> Counting all allocated IPv4 each LIR has, and converting it back to >>> CIDR: >>> >>> CIDR Number of LIRs >>> >>> <= /24 1 >>> <= /23 4 >>> <= /22 6051 >>> <= /21 1582 >>> <= /20 1638 >>> <= /19 1547 >>> <= /18 1040 >>> <= /17 709 >>> <= /16 386 >>> <= /15 293 >>> <= /14 134 >>> <= /13 110 >>> <= /12 80 >>> <= /11 64 >>> <= /10 25 >>> <= /9 14 >>> <= /8 6 >>> <= /7 2 >>> >>> IPv6 only 241 >>> >>> >>> If we were to take ARIN's fees as example where up to and including >>> /20 is less expensive than RIPE's current fees, 9276 out of the >>> 13686 LIRs with IPv4 would pay less. >>> Not just new ones... >>> >>> Total income would be similar. >>> >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> >>> Floris Bos >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> <https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/> >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20160923/890d1d05/attachment.html>
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