[members-discuss] About IPv6 tunnels and other incentives

El 23/09/2016 a las 10:24, Anthony Somerset escribió:
 > This sounds like the perfect idea though

I love the idea of the incentive to IPv6 deploy, but you all are 
forgetting the what I thing is the biggest problem.

End-User equipment. There are several millions of home routers that are 
not IPv6 ready.

 > Lobby the main providers/generators of Internet Bandwidth usage to 
 >only support IPv6 on new tech/products - even if only for initial 
 >launch phases.

 > For example Netflix is starting to do UHD/4k, wouldn’t it be great if 
 >we could get them and google and others to only offer 4k/UHD on V6 
 >only for a period of time like 3-6 months or even longer.
 > The main challenge which makes this a long shot is that you need all 
 >of the major content providers to do it together otherwise none of them
 > will because the consumer is so fickle, they will just switch in a 
 >heartbeat

The problem are not Google or Netflix, the problem still the big telcos 
who has the bast majority of users. If they are not IPv6, doesnt matter 
if google/netflix/facebook/whatever are IPv6 ready.

If Netflix only provide 4K/UHD in IPv6, when the customer goes to the 
telco to complain, the telco will say "Hey, its a Netflix problem, not 
mine" tell Netflix to offer it in IPv4, dont complain to me! And the 
disadvantaged will be again the customer.

Last IPv6 Statistics from google sais:[1]
Native: 13.75% 6to4/Teredo: 0.01% Total IPv6: 13.75%

The incentive is fine and Im not agains it but, what about penalize 
those big telcos who have a lot of IPv4 unused if they are not moving to 
IPv6?

Sadly, the world move faster to avoid a penalization than for a 
incentive for doing it.

Regards,

[1] https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

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>> On 23 Sep,2016, at 10:16, Tom Lehtinen <ripe at tombii.com
>> <mailto:ripe at tombii.com>> wrote:
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>> On 23.09.2016 10:08, Ondřej Caletka wrote:
>>> On 22.9.2016 v 23:07 Carlos Friacas wrote:
>>>> Tunnels? seriously? no, please...
>>>> End-users shouldn't care about which IP version they are using.
>>> +1
>> +1
>>> [snip]
>>> Maybe a better idea would be to create a fund for financial support of
>>> IPv6 deployments of providers, especially the big ones. Because most of
>>> them have no real technical problems, they just deliberately postpone
>>> the IPv6 adoption unless inevitable. The main idea is the later they
>>> deploy it, the less money it would cost. They don't have any actual need
>>> to deploy it, unless, say, YouTube stops playing HD videos to IPv4
>>> clients. (That would be cool, actually.)
>>> I'm fully aware that any such support will be unfair to all those that
>>> already used their own money to deploy IPv6. But on the other hand,
>>> deploying IPv6 at big providers is in the interest of the RIPE community
>>> as a whole.
>> I'd rather give the money to Google and other large content providers
>> and ask them to stop supporting IPv4. Then let the big telcos deploy
>> IPv6 because finally they will have to unless they want to lose all
>> their customers. Not saying that this is a good idea though...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
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>>> Best Regards,
>>> Ondřej Caletka
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