[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

On 2016-09-13 20:57, Chris Smith wrote:
> It seems clear to me that LIR's that have large IPv4 resources are at
> an economic advantage against LIR's with small IPv4 resources.

Whilst that might be true in your business model, not everyone is using 
your model for their organisation

> The current Small, Medium, Large model seems to be setup with this in 
> mind.

Ultimately RIPEs "job" is to maintain a list (DB) and as a community, 
set policy for getting things onto that list.

Each LIRs "cost" to RIPE is administrative (membership management, 
sending letters etc) and _somewhat_ proportionate to how much data they 
have in that database (and how much support/manual-work they need)

The numbers in the "starting ip" and "ending ip" fields don't change 
that cost, effectively a /32 "costs" no more or less than a /8 - 1 
record in a db is 1 record in a db


> Goal: Kill off IPv4 by 2025?

A goal to have all "publicly accessible internet devices accessible over 
ipv6" makes sense, but there is (and never will be) a "need" to kill off 
ipv4.

> I believe a full switch to IPv6 is everyone's long term interest.

It's certainly not in "everyones" interest - there are millions of 
IPv4-only devices out there, it's not in the owners interest to have to 
buy (even if it was possible to replace) new ones.

> If another LIR has a hundred times more IPv4 addresses than we do,
> then I'd expect them to pay 100 times (or more) than we do.

And therein lies the difference in thinking - if one LIR uses 100 times 
the "resources" than another then yes, a larger bill could be 
appropriate. But a range of ips is ultimatley just "1 resource" - it 
doesn't matter about the size of that range.

Making IPv6 resources "cheaper" might be an incentive to adoption, but I 
doubt it.

Getting the bulk of "end users" on IPv6 is (and always has been) the 
only real way to drive usage up, and in general end-users neither know 
nor care, IP is IP is IP at the end of the day


Rob