[members-discuss] Spam from Cyprian Nica / IP Broker Limited (Re: Inquiry regarding availability for subnet x.x.x.0 - y.y.y.255

Mon Oct 10 17:45:01 CEST 2016

Hi guys,

I got that mail also. But I would say, please calm down, he had an good 
idea and he offer a good service.

It was his first time and he not spam us many times...

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Marcel Edler
Geschäftsinhaber

Optimate-Server
Im Sommerfeld 38
63150 Heusenstamm
Germany
Tel.: 06104 / 9722141
Fax: 06104 / 9722142
Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499
eMail: medler at optimate-server.de
Internet: http://www.optimate-server.de

Am 10.10.2016 um 17:31 schrieb Nick Hilliard:
> Cyprian,
>
> Thank you for confirming that you used RIPE Database information for 
> direct marketing purposes.
>
> RIPE NCC: can you confirm whether or not using RIPE Database 
> information for direct marketing purposes is a violation of the 
> Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement?
>
> Nick
>> Ciprian Nica <mailto:office at ip-broker.uk>
>> 10 October 2016 at 16:25
>> Yes, I have used the specific contact details for the specific block. 
>> How can anyone get in contact with the user of a specific block of 
>> IPs if not by using the contact details listed for that block ?
>>
>> I didn't deny that, I only said that I didn't dig for a bunch of 
>> e-mails to send a spam advertising some service or product. I 
>> specifically contacted the listed persons for each specific block 
>> that I've found to be unused.
>>
>> Once again I apologize if sending you a single e-mail for a specific 
>> block that is not in use really causes so much trouble.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Hilliard <mailto:nick at netability.ie>
>> 10 October 2016 at 16:20
>> Cyprian,
>>
>> You used a specific email address that has only ever been used by me 
>> in the RIPE database.  If you have used it, and particularly if you 
>> have used it in association with a specific range of RIPE 
>> NCC-assigned ipv4 addresses, it means that this information has been 
>> pulled either directly or indirectly from the RIPE database.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Ciprian Nica <mailto:office at ip-broker.uk>
>> 10 October 2016 at 16:12
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> First of all, I have not used the ripe database contact info to send 
>> marketing, advertising or anything to promote a service or product.
>>
>> I apologize to anyone that was disturbed by my e-mail. I have tried 
>> not to send any duplicates and limited as much as possible any 
>> discomfort. I'm not doing this on a regular basis and probably you've 
>> never got an e-mail from me before.
>>
>> There are 43 million IP addresses which are allocated in RIPE region 
>> and are not announced in the global BGP table. Of course there are 
>> some which are not announced on purpose and to those I apologize 
>> again. But there are many IP addresses which are not in use and the 
>> only way to get in touch with the users is by contacting them using 
>> obviously publicly available contact information.
>>
>> I have e-mailed contacts for specific subnets that were checked to be 
>> not advertised. How else should we get the IPs to the market ? 
>> There's no tool provided by RIPE or any other solution to push this 
>> huge amount to the market. Maybe some are concerned that bringing up 
>> the unused space will lower the prices. Well, I am not supporting 
>> those who sit on huge amount of IPs and seek prices in the 10+ EUR 
>> range. I really hope IPv6 will move quicker and in a couple of years 
>> no IPv4 will have value so while there is still some demand, we're 
>> doing our best to find the supply, to dig it up to the surface.
>>
>> So, once again at this moment there are over 43 million IPs in the 
>> RIPE region only that are not advertised in the BGP table. The total 
>> amount of IPs transferred over the past 4 years in the RIPE region is 
>> ~27 million.
>>
>> I apologize if my method was too extreme and have upset some people 
>> but I promise not to bother you again. Most likely there are people 
>> who just sit on the resources and don't care about other's needs. We 
>> can't seem to be able to lift their butts off them.
>>
>> Have a nice week,
>> Ciprian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Hilliard <mailto:nick at netability.ie>
>> 10 October 2016 at 15:20
>> I've received several copies of the template email below about several
>> different address ranges, all sent to email addresses culled from the
>> RIPE Database.  They all appear to originate from Cyprian Nica / IP
>> Broker Ltd.
>>
>> In order to be listed as an IP broker on the RIPE web site, it is
>> necessary to sign the "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement".  This
>> includes the following text:
>>
>>> The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC
>>> procedural documents, [...]
>>
>> The RIPE Database T&Cs include the following text:
>>
>>> Users may not use the RIPE Database or the data contained therein for
>>> advertising, direct marketing, marketing research or similar purposes.
>>
>> Could the RIPE NCC kindly confirm whether or not spamming contact email
>> address gleaned from the RIPE DB is a violation of the Recognised IPv4
>> Transfer Broker Agreement?
>>
>> If this isn't a violation, could the Board consider specifically adding
>> an anti-spamming term into the IP Broker T&Cs listing?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Ciprian Nica wrote:
>>> Dear Sirs,
>>>
>>> My name is Ciprian Nica and I'm the CEO of IP Broker Ltd, one of the
>>> first IPv4 Address brokers in the RIPE region. I am contacting you
>>> regarding the block of 256 IPv4 addresses (from x.x.x.0  to
>>> 'y.y.y.255') which according to our data seems to be not in use as
>>> they are not announced in the global BGP table.
>>>
>>> If you no longer need these IP addresses then it is a good moment to
>>> sell them. The global IPv6 deployment rate is around 15% while in USA
>>> is around 30% so in a couple of years IPv4 might become worthless
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Of course that besides the subnet mentioned above there might be some
>>> other blocks that you might not need. Please let us know all the
>>> blocks of IP addresses that you no longer need and we will do our
>>> best to sell them in a fast and secure way.
>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ciprian Nica
>>> CEO
>>> IP Broker Limited
>>> t: +44 20 339 339 91
>>>
>>
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