[members-discuss] [RADA] [OFX-OFX] IPV4 Addresses

Hi David,

it is rather simple - no regulation could works better than free market. 
Implement simple policy for anyone to pay for each /24 (and we can start 
on actual "black market" price cast for 3-4 years) and you will see how 
many LIR will return unused space quickly. Otherwise you just try to 
achieve impossible. No artificial regulation will work in conditions, 
where there is limited number of resources - people are very creative in 
finding the ways how to bend any rule, if they need to. And such policy 
is also really fair: more resources you have (more income you can 
generate on them), more you have to pay for - in linear way.

With growing number of small LIRs (aka /22 LIRs), it is just mater of 
time, when these new LIRs will realize, that:

- they have voting rights and they have same vote like the "old big ones"
- they pay much more per resource than "old big ones"
- and they will finally vote for this policy, whatever dinosaurs thinks :-)
- the last IPv4 space run-out could just accelerate this

So to your question - if someone keeps unused resource to speculate on 
it or just to have future reserve - let him do it, but he should pay 
it's market price (lets say for now 1000USD per /24 per year). Believe 
me, that no RIPE audit will work better than this rather simple billing 
policy.

P.S.: ISP's in my country happily charge customers 4USD per month for 
one public IPv4 (so even with 1000USD per /24 per year they will still 
get~ 1200% profit, so please don't argue that it is overpriced).

Kind regards
Dominik



On 5/27/2016 10:34 AM, David Benwell wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> With IPv4 running out and LIRs only being allowed final /22 in my view 
> makes it unfair to new members who may need additional addresses.
>
> With some of the other LIRs having for example /19 unused makes it 
> unfair for them to advertise their unused address space on the 
> transfer service and want to charge up words of £8 per IP Address.
>
> Given the fact the IP Addresses is a public resource, I fail to see 
> how it should be allowed for LIRs to make a profit out of unused space.
>
> There should be a policy and if the address space is not used / 
> required, it must be handed back to the public pool of resources so 
> can then be allocated to other LIRS as part of their annual membership.
>
> I even recall the Government sitting on “I believe” a /8 and then 
> tried to sell this off to raise money. Again this should not be 
> allowed. LIRS should NOT be able to make profit for selling a public 
> resource.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
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