[members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

On 24-7-2016 19:20, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
>>>> We are not shifting any costs, we are just asking each member to pay
>>> their
>>>> fair share for the amount of resources they are using
>>>
>>> Yes it is, it is shifting the cost to larger members, hugely
>>
>> I disagree, we are acting in the interests of the RIPE NCC membership.
> 
> Some of the membership, mostly newer ones it seems who did not contribute
> to building it (I'm guessing from what you've said)
> 
> Fairness is not one faction getting what they want to the detriment of
> the others. More so when the stated intent is to price them into
> giving up IPv4 space so you can have it instead. There is already a member
> agreed fair system for using money to move IPs between members

I don't agree with the argument that the people that started it deserve
more "credits", because thay helped build the system.

Even when I asked for a first netblock back in 1994, this discussion was
already running for the companies that had the really large blocks, like
who in their right mind would need a /8....
We got a /16 without much discussion.

There has always been a discussion about either "recovering" unused
space, and/or paying for that.

But fact remains that when that company joined over time, several other
companies, and I would guess that they are now sitting on several /16's.
And even during my time there we got asked to merge our networks where
possible. And if it was not possible, too bad. So I guess we never
really tried very hard because the penalty was rather small.

Now times have changed, and though I agree with the last /8 policy, I
do'not really agree with the fact that nothing is done with recuperating
unused nets. No Instead we allow the hoarders of the old days actually
take commercial benefit of something they got given for free in the
past. And Ripe, and others, have facilitated this by allowing for
number-transfers, which is now around a ridiculous price of 8++ euro's
/IP. So people that got given a /16, and are using next to nothing on
it, are given a "donation" of about 600.000 euros.

And yes I agree ipv6 is the way forward, and yes if you have a solid
business case paying 1400*2 for 24 months for an extra /22 should cover
that. (it is only ~0,25 euro /ip /year, or 2 cts a month)

But in essence the problem is/was created by the early users of the
internet who got assigned large (very large) blocks without accepting
the responsibility that should have come with it. But then nobody cared,
because there was enough.

--WjW
Digiware Managment