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Op 17-2-2016 om 16:45 schreef Twana Othman:
>
> Dears,
>
> Please my email as well.
>
> *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On 
> Behalf Of *Omar Dallah
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM
> *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR 
> Startup Coordinator'
> *Subject:* [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
>
> Dears,
>
> Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed 
> my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. 
> Please help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Omar Dallah
>
> *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On 
> Behalf Of *Matthijs van Seventer
> *Sent:* 17 February 2016 16:58
> *To:* BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss at ripe.net 
> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE 
> NCC Members and Multiple
>
> Hello all,
>
> LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The 
> only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
>
> Matthijs
>
> *Van:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] 
> *Namens *BOGDAN Orasanu
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53
> *Aan:* 'Markus' <universe at truemetal.org 
> <mailto:universe at truemetal.org>>; members-discuss at ripe.net 
> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu 
> <claudiu.foleanu at thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu at thorpanel.com>>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE 
> NCC Members and Multiple
>
> Hi there,
>
> I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force 
> half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should 
> not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that 
> managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer 
> maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or 
> eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR 
> should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among 
> LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not 
> for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
>
> Best regards,
> Bogdan Orasanu
> Senior Network Administrator
> SC Expert Net SRL
>
> Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
>
>
>
> ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
>
> Hi Markus,
>
> The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user
> contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this
> the resources are sold.
> It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think
> that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) 
> sold.
> And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a
> /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I
> have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started
> getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone
> will do something like this.
> We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was 
> find a
> new lir we cannot help in the matter.
> We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address
> space from Romania with the same issue.
>
> Best regards,
> Claudiu Foleanu
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net 
> <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] On Behalf Of
> Markus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>; 
> Claudiu Foleanu
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC
> Members and Multiple
>
> Hi Claudiu,
>
> Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
> > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the
> > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have
> > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit.
> [...]
>
> can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away
> from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to
> give their resources up?
>
> I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro 
> <http://www.ip.ro>) from
> your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It
> seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from
> <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra
> nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
>
> Do they have something to do with what you described?
>
> Cheers
> Markus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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