[members-discuss] YNT: Re: [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple

Wed Feb 17 16:27:49 CET 2016

Why do you think this is A problem?
If you have free space you need to share it not sell or rent
This is Why there is too many accounts multiple
Lots of company holding ip addresses more then they need!!

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That isn't practical.

What happens if an entity with an LIR account is purchased by another entity with an LIR account; they would have to merge or move IPs from one to another. Your proposed policy would prohibit this, therefore complicating or potentially prohibiting the sale and acquisition of web hosts.

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On 17/02/2016 15:18:41, Kampen, Niels van <nvkampen at sligro.nl> wrote:

Shouldn't this problem be solved on a higher level (IANA)? Or create a workgroup open to the other RIR's as well so we can solve this globally?
Finding a solution that doesn't mean a huge increase in administrative work for the NCC or making the request procedure almost impossible for new LIR's is not a solution.
Could be as easy as making the initial /22 of a LIR non-transferable? If you want more IP space to rent/lease/sell you can buy additional space from the RIR or other brokers.

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Niels

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Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Namens Lu Heng
Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:43
Aan: Sebastian Wiesinger
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Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple

Guys:

take the wealth of rich people, distribute it amount everybody, and everybody get fair share and working for a central planning economy, does it sound familiar if you happen to be from one of communist countries?(I heard that quite often as I was born in one of communist countries, although if it is still communist are very debatable.)

Central administration and central planning will require a large central administrative power with enforce body, Ripe NCC does not have the power either has the ability to enforce such thing, even it does have such power, history has told us such thing really doesn't work.
Centralised resource planning only results corruption and less effective economy.

The founder of Ripe community, Rob, alone with many other original starter Ripe community, said very wisely, "Ripe NCC are only a bookkeeper". and still till today I believe such fundamental value are very important to the very existence of RIR system, without claiming any power, therefore left RIPE NCC doing what it should be doing, be a registry and record resource whom using it, while protecting itself from any management/administration function(in which means power), so no government can come ask RIPE NCC to enforce anything, or even worse, seeking control of RIPE NCC.

Please, leave RIPE NCC to be a simple book keeper and if you really wants to enforce something, go to your local government and propose a legislation, banning IPv4 transfer and ask big guy give you their unused IPv4 for example, just like the some government in history taken wealth from rich people give to the poor ones, they are the enforcing body, and they have the ability to re-distribute any resource they want.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
> * iODC Hostmaster [2016-02-17 15:18]:
>> Why it is bad to sell IP's?
>
>> Take a look at the RIPE market... Prices are INSANE, and RIPE is
>> being maximum abused by "brokers" - that's why it is bad, that IP's
>> can be sold, nevertheless it is the reason why it should not be
>> possible to sell!
>
> We had this discussion even before there *was* a transfer market. IPs
> WILL get transferred, money WILL be paid. The only thing that RIPE NCC
> did was to make it possible to document these transfers in the
> database. Before that there was chaos. There is practically NOTHING
> the NCC can do about the transfers happening. We had this discussions
> long ago. We saw it coming. People ignored IPv6. This is the result.
>
> I'm so tired talking about this. IPv4 is over and done and because
> people ignored this for a decade we're forced to fight against other
> people trying to make money from the last pool that was explicitly
> created to allow newcomes to enter a market that ONLY exists because
> others decided they did not want to invest into IPv6.
>
> Regards
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