[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts

I'm for opening the market up further, with inter-RIR sales between LIRs 
which (correct me if I'm wrong) is only possible currently with legacy 
resources through third-party IP brokers.

If you want to reduce the price, increase the availability in through an 
open market. Over Regulation of inter-LIR sales will create a shortage.

-Tim
Note: I need more IP space, so it's not like I want to have to buy them, 
I'd love it if I could just claim more for free from RIPE, but that just 
isn't viable or fair.


On 12/02/2016 14:43, Daniel Stolpe wrote:
>
> Oh my. I would like to think that in Poland you were done with 
> socialist economy. In Sweden we do have some tendencies in that 
> direction, most obvious when it comes to rental flats. And well, it 
> was not originally a socialist idea but a temporary rule during World 
> War II, just that nobody realised the war ended + 70 years ago.
>
> So what we have is regulated prices on rental flats. As a result there 
> is no money in building new houses and thus a shortage. If you want to 
> rent a flat you have to wait for 10-20 years. And because of the 
> shortage a rental contract has a "value" that you don't want to give 
> up. So we have a shortage *and* empty flats. And even though you are 
> not allowed to sell the contracts people still do (pretending to swap 
> flats, which is legal).
>
> In short - the idea might sound nice but it does not work. If holders 
> of unused IPv4 space are allowed to sell addresses on an open market, 
> chances are much bigger it will be used. If not, the holder will 
> probably keep it in case it will be needed in the future. And as with 
> the flats, peoble would still sell them, but probably not update the 
> registry and then we have other, serious problems.
>
> So even if it seems unfair that early adopters can make money from 
> something they once got more or less for free, the alternatives are 
> less tempting.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016, Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:
>
>> Witam,
>>
>> I agree 100% with this opinion.
>>
>> It should be prohibited to sell/buy address space between two LIR 
>> (not /22 also olders assignments).
>> It should be some solidarity or prices should be regulated by RIPE 
>> not by market.
>>
>> Now companies who have lot of IPv4 are against any changes.
>> New companies have tied hands.
>> And RIPE is in the middle.
>>
>> But they all pay the same fee.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Dariusz
>>
>>
>>>  On 12/02/2016 09:34, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
>>> >  No, seriously: use IPv6.
>>>  Most of my customers have IPv6.
>>>  Sadly, the rest of the do not
>>>
>>>  On 12/02/2016 11:59, Dominik Nowacki wrote:
>>> >  This, or CG NAT. 1 village / end point / 1-2 IPs and CG NAT for 
>>> the >  whole village + /56 IPv6 per household.
>>>  Is really CGNAT the RIPE-NCC solution for ipv4 exhaustion ?
>>>  As a network engineer, and as a customer, CGNAT look like the worst
>>>  solution.
>>>
>>>
>>>  To answer the talk from Gert and other, about the holy mission of the
>>>  RIPE, I agree with them, somehow.
>>>  The RIPE is supposed to show justice, right ? Equality ? Good not 
>>> evil ?
>>>
>>>  Let's reap all useless IPv4.
>>>  You want to sell IPv4 ? Obviously, you do not need that subnet.
>>>  You do not announce that subnet over the internet ? Reaped.
>>>  You want to transfert that subnet between two obviously not related
>>>  compagny ? Reaped.
>>>
>>>  As the Protector of the weaks, and to preserve viability of the
>>>  newcommers, the RIPE-NCC *must not* allow people to make business 
>>> on the
>>>  back of the new.
>>>  IPv4 are a resource of common interest, not a plot of land that can be
>>>  sell to the richer.
>>>
>>>  Do not you think ?
>>>
>>
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