[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss

Hello, folks!

That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We bought
multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years.

But actually there really big injustice exists here!

I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they really
required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in each
network! All my IP addresses really used.

But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested bunch of
/18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right now
almost all this networks are on IPv4 market.

And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a long
time.

Than't really weird, isn't it?

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic speaking) to
> open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some companies prefer to
> plan their business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to prioritize
> resources keeping in mind only the need. We are leaving and doing business
> in a capitalist environment, buying resources it is what is all about.
>
>
> On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote:
>
>> I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, and other
>> LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all.
>>>
>>>  I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before
>>>  2012, to the NCC pool.
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  Kind regards,
>>>  Aleksey Bulgakov
>>>  FastTelecom, CEO
>>>  7 926 6908729
>>>
>>> 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley :
>>>
>>>     Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>>     The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to
>>>     discuss
>>>     the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts.
>>>
>>>     There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November
>>>     2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR accounts,
>>>     each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run
>>> against
>>>     the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board
>>>     decided to
>>>     temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open
>>> additional
>>>     LIR accounts.
>>>
>>>     The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8
>>>     policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has
>>>     allocated
>>>     more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the
>>>     pool.
>>>
>>>     ACTION REQUIRED:
>>>     The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and discuss
>>>     the following points:
>>>
>>>     1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a
>>>     problem
>>>     that must be prevented?
>>>
>>>     2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action
>>>     should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention?
>>>
>>>     Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this
>>>     article on
>>>     RIPE Labs:
>>>
>>> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc
>>>
>>>     The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members Discuss
>>>     mailing list .
>>>
>>>     The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next
>>>     Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome of
>>>     that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to
>>>     vote on
>>>     at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016.
>>>
>>>     Best regards,
>>>
>>>     Nigel Titley
>>>     RIPE NCC Executive Board
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----
>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
>>> general page:
>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
>>>
>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From
>>> here, you can add or remove addresses.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ----
> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> general page:
> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
>
> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From
> here, you can add or remove addresses.
>



-- 
Sincerely yours,  Pavel Odintsov
CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU
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