[members-discuss] [Ticket#2015032901000081] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016

On 28/03/15 22:43, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
> > I disagree. At least, some members were satisfied with ASN charge 
> abolishment.
> And please, find some new arguments before introducing ASN charge 
> again. Garbage
> collection is not so important in terms of AS numbers.
>
> Sergey, I support your idea. Doesn't make sense to change anything 
> regards payments for ASN. Billing is more easy for RIPE NCC. And this 
> discussion started from garbage collection of ASN.
>
+1

I think that if garbage collection is the problem, then we should focus 
on garbage collection and ask the RIPE NCC what methods it would see 
viable (including or excluding the ASN charge). We should leave the 
Charging Scheme be, as it is one of the cleanest I have seen and I 
remember (although I was not in that meeting in 2012) that everyone 
appreciated a clean/simple CS.

As for the discussion regarding ASN returns, I think we have a lot of 
noise for nothing..

Firstly, the internet is using ~65K ASNs while the supply is 2MM. We 
still have 64K*65K before we should really worry about garbage collection.
Secondly - since my company offers consulting services for various 
companies in the region, I have noticed that many customers have 
returned ASNs to the RIPE NCC after an M&A, so it's not like they keep 
on holding them without a reason.. Although I would see why 32bit ASNs 
could, soon, have a value (especially the 'vanity' ones).
Thirdly, I have already proposed a method, which does not ask the NCC to 
chase but just to send a question to its members once a year, asking 
them if they or their customer want to return the ASN that has not been 
seen in the global routing table for more than 3 months. Such a script 
should be simple to make and would not involve any follow-up from the 
NCC nor any chasing of the members. If the members do respond and return 
any of the ASNs, then the garbage collection mechanism has fulfilled 
it's purpose.

regards,
Elvis

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