[members-discuss] Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area
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Johan Boger
johan at robtex.com
Tue Jun 30 13:45:34 CEST 2015
Hey all, While I agree RIPE NCC should not get involved in political debates, they should, however, make sure all papers are legal in the nation they were issued. As for disputed regions, I realize it is difficult and something perhaps not possible for RIPE NCC to decide who is right in an interim period, and just what a "nation" constitutes. We have to remember that changes in geography usually happens as a result of some sort of war or invasion, and is rarely something all involved parties agree on (except in post-war situations in the form of treaties - and even then, it's a compromise at best after having lost). However, having said that, it is curious I had to send about 25 documents back and forth while renaming a LIR and moving it to a different geographical location. The requirements for legal papers issued in both countries were a must then, and I had to submit information from various government entities in both nations. So I do wonder a bit why this was so easily pushed through. Was it perhaps pushed through simply BECAUSE the RIPE NCC felt it was a political issue and not something they should touch (so perhaps they didn't apply full scrutiny to documentation out of fear for touching the untouchables?). If I am entirely out of line or out of sync with procedures, I apologize. Just an observation. PS. To mailing list admin: please ignore my email in the queue sent from team at robtex.com. My subscribed email is johan at robtex.com, so naturally that bounced. DS. - Johan Boger, AS48285. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Samorukov,Alexey <samm at net-art.cz> wrote: > > To clarify matters relating to the discussion on LIRs from the Donetsk > area, I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC Executive Board's > resolution on continuity to service to all members. Please see the > statement at: > > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-board-resolution-on-continuity-of-services-to-all-ripe-ncc-members > > The RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists. Dutch law does not > restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof > that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any national authority > are considered to be sufficient proof. > > > Thank you for reply, it would be great to have some clarifications, if > possible. > > Does it mean that organization "Center of Internet services in DNR” is > exists in Russia? I cant find any references to it in the registries. Also > it is not clear what is “national authority” here. Admin-c and tech-c > numbers are with Ukrainian prefix. Lugansk is Ukrainian city. DNR itself is > a terroristic organization which is located in the Donetsk area (not > Lugansk, btw). Could you please check and confirm that all documents were > checked properly? > > Thank you. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > -- Johan Boger, Project Manager (AS48285) e: johan at robtex.com w: http://www.robtex.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20150630/415533b1/attachment.html>
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