From nigel at titley.com Thu Apr 2 16:20:31 2015 From: nigel at titley.com (Nigel Titley) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 15:20:31 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] auto-responders and ticket robots In-Reply-To: <5517F791.2010609@v4escrow.net> References: <5517F791.2010609@v4escrow.net> Message-ID: <551D502F.5090405@titley.com> I've just made another announce to ncc-announce and the situation is far worse there. I've had 40 ticket responses so far and they are still flooding in. Nigel On 29/03/15 14:01, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote: > Hi, > > rmplc-reject at rmplc.co.uk > do-not-reply at tickets.denit.net > sympa at list2.orange.com > support at arcade.ch > > Please verify your subscriptions in the LIR Portal and stop sending me > auto-replies. > > > 1. rmplc-reject at rmplc.co.uk said: > > Your email todiscuss at ripe.net has not been delivered. > > > > The POP3 email service for domain rmplc.co.uk has been ceased. You will need to contact the intended recipient via another means. > that even looks like a bad error, my e-mail has reached the list! > > 2. do-not-reply at tickets.denit.net said: > > I'm afraid to say that I was unable to deliver your email with the subject 'Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016'. > > > > None of the addresses which your message was addressed to matched one which I can accept e-mail for. Please retry your message or contact the system administrator for further information. > Denit, of your subscribed employee no longer works there, maybe you > should login to the LIR Portal and update the subscription e-mail address. > > 3. sympa at list2.orange.com said: > > Your message for list 'rus-conf.ipregs' (attached below) was rejected. > > You are not allowed to send this message for the following reason: > > > > you are not allowed to perform this action. > > > > For further information, please contactrus-conf.ipregs-request at list2.orange.com > Bad filter? C'mon Orange.. you can do better. > > 4. support at arcade.ch said: > > >Elvis Daniel Velea, > > > > Sehr geehrter Kunde Das ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort, die > den Eingang Ihrer Nachricht best?tigt. Wir werden Ihr Anliegen > bearbeiten. Sollten R?ckfragen unsererseits n?tig sein, wird sich > einer unserer Mitarbeiter so schnell wie > > m?glich mit Ihnen in Verbindung setzen. Wenn Sie uns auf diese > Best?tigung antworten m?chten, stellen Sie bitte sicher, dass die > Ticket ID in der Betreffzeile f?r uns weiterhin sichtbar bleibt. So > k?nnen wir Ihre Antwort richtig zuordnen. > > > > *Ticket ID: *MHJ-500-20375 > > *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC > Charging Scheme 2016 > > *Abteilung: *arcade - service desk > > *Typ: *Issue > > *Status: *Offen > > *Priorit?t:* Normal > > Ticketing systems subscribed to the mailing list? A new ticket with > every response? I bet your colleagues handling these tickets are very > happy, arcade solutions... > > > cheers, > elvis > -- > > > > Elvis Daniel Velea > > > Chief Executive Officer > > Email: elvis at V4Escrow.net > US Phone: +1 (702) 475 5914 > EU Phone: +31 (0) 61458 1914 > > Recognised IPv4 Broker/Facilitator in: > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain > privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have > received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and > delete the original.Any other use of this email is strictly prohibited. > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 5043 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 11971 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nick at netability.ie Thu Apr 2 18:17:25 2015 From: nick at netability.ie (Nick Hilliard) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 17:17:25 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme and ASNs In-Reply-To: <551D4DB7.4000404@titley.com> References: <551D4DB7.4000404@titley.com> Message-ID: <551D6B95.3030204@netability.ie> On 02/04/2015 15:09, Nigel Titley wrote: > There will therefore be two resolutions on charging at the GM: > > - Members will be asked to vote to approve or reject the Charging Scheme > 2016 that was published on 24 March: > https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2015/supporting-documents > > - Members will also be asked to vote to approve or reject a resolution > that would instantiate a EUR 50 charge per ASN Nigel, thanks for bringing this in as a voting item on the agenda. I believe this to be the best way to resolve the issue in the long term. There are ~27000 asns assigned by the RIPE NCC. Assuming a ?50 annual charge, this will raise additional revenue of approx. ?1.3m or around ?120 per LIR. If the NCC membership votes in favour of a charge for ASNs, could you clarify whether this additional revenue will be: 1. used to drop the 2016 LIR charge from ?1400 to around the ?1300 mark, 2. retained as a surplus by the RIPE NCC, 3. returned to the membership by way of a future credit, as outlined in the last GM, or 4. something else. thanks, Nick From ripe-md at c4inet.net Thu Apr 2 18:39:52 2015 From: ripe-md at c4inet.net (Sascha Luck [ml]) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 17:39:52 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme and ASNs In-Reply-To: <551D6B95.3030204@netability.ie> References: <551D4DB7.4000404@titley.com> <551D6B95.3030204@netability.ie> Message-ID: <20150402163952.GD1012@cilantro.c4inet.net> On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 05:17:25PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: >On 02/04/2015 15:09, Nigel Titley wrote: >> - Members will also be asked to vote to approve or reject a resolution >> that would instantiate a EUR 50 charge per ASN > >Nigel, thanks for bringing this in as a voting item on the agenda. I >believe this to be the best way to resolve the issue in the long >term. Will this be "EUR50 in this CS" or ASN charge forever? rgds, Sascha Luck From gert at space.net Thu Apr 2 19:32:46 2015 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 19:32:46 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme and ASNs In-Reply-To: <20150402163952.GD1012@cilantro.c4inet.net> References: <551D4DB7.4000404@titley.com> <551D6B95.3030204@netability.ie> <20150402163952.GD1012@cilantro.c4inet.net> Message-ID: <20150402173246.GG54385@Space.Net> Hi, On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 05:39:52PM +0100, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > Will this be "EUR50 in this CS" or ASN charge forever? Your sentence does not parse for me... But I applaud Nigel for taking this up as an *individual item* to vote on. Previously, this was always mixed into "either keep the old scheme or take the new one that changes ", but the members never explicitely decided on just this single item. Whatever comes out of this, I think we have very clear guidance what the members want afterwards, and can then return to build address policy that achieves the goals set by the AP community, in the monetary framework set by the members. Gert Doering -- LIR *and* member of the community -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard PS: As long as we are on the subject of netiquette: We should all default to non-HTML email ;) From nigel at titley.com Thu Apr 2 22:50:57 2015 From: nigel at titley.com (Nigel Titley) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 21:50:57 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme and ASNs In-Reply-To: <551D6B95.3030204@netability.ie> References: <551D4DB7.4000404@titley.com> <551D6B95.3030204@netability.ie> Message-ID: <551DABB1.3010108@titley.com> On 02/04/15 17:17, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 02/04/2015 15:09, Nigel Titley wrote: >> There will therefore be two resolutions on charging at the GM: >> >> - Members will be asked to vote to approve or reject the Charging Scheme >> 2016 that was published on 24 March: >> https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2015/supporting-documents >> >> - Members will also be asked to vote to approve or reject a resolution >> that would instantiate a EUR 50 charge per ASN > Nigel, thanks for bringing this in as a voting item on the agenda. I > believe this to be the best way to resolve the issue in the long term. > > There are ~27000 asns assigned by the RIPE NCC. Assuming a ?50 annual > charge, this will raise additional revenue of approx. ?1.3m or around ?120 > per LIR. Yes, this has not escaped the notice of the board. > > If the NCC membership votes in favour of a charge for ASNs, could you > clarify whether this additional revenue will be: > > 1. used to drop the 2016 LIR charge from ?1400 to around the ?1300 mark, > > 2. retained as a surplus by the RIPE NCC, > > 3. returned to the membership by way of a future credit, as outlined in the > last GM, or > > 4. something else. As outlined at the last GM, the members will vote on whether to return a surplus to themselves (and not pay corporation tax) or to move it to the clearing house, paying tax on it. Nigel