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Jānis Jaunošāns
jj at streamnetworks.lv
Fri Nov 22 00:32:55 CET 2013
haha, +1. still, lold about Lu, "I'll sue you!" :D William, will you go after ipv6 also? ipv4 is dead, deal with it :) On 21/11/13 20:49, Primoz Jeroncic / Softnet wrote: > If it wouldn't get later and later with every minute, I would probably > jump and get bag of popcorn and box of beer, but this way, I'm scared my > mailbox will be filled by tomorrow morning with mails of people acting > like 2 years old kids, and my phone will be beeping all night long. > Can you guys please grow up, and solve your personal issues somewhere > else. I don't think this list is appropriate place fpr these sort of > problems, and I doubt majority of us have certain medical degree to be > able to help in such situations. > > greets, > Primoz Jeroncic > Support - IP Connectivity & Routing > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Softnet d.o.o. tel: +386 1 81 00 100 | Yesterday is history, > Borovec 2 fax: +386 1 81 00 101 | tomorrow is mystery, > 1236 Trzin primoz(at)softnet.si | but today is gift. That's > Slovenija http://flea.softnet.si/ | why it's called present > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On 11/21/13 7:12 PM, William Weber wrote: >> I also want to strongly note that Lu started with talks about suing me - >> I just replied him why it makes no sense and he can save his money. >> I didn't start this argument and was *mainly* (yes, i wrote in very >> strong language to RIPE and accused Lu of many things which might be >> true or not, time will tell) on-business. >> >> Also don't get me wrong, Lu is not *not* the only one on my list, just >> the newest and largest one. >> I will report them to RIPE one-by-one until i am done and do not care >> for even a single second what you all think about this (i can report >> LIRs all i want, and i INSIST that 2 /15 in the ARIN region *ARE* a >> reason to request an audit), but RIPE did not provide me with *any* way >> to report a LIR for audit - And this is my main issue with them (for now). >> >> All i always wanted, and still want is a confirmation of RIPE that this >> LIR will be audited - Then i am happy, i have *some* trust left in the >> RIPE/NCC and cannot change the working policy (at least not now) anyway. >> >> -- >> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh >> william at edisglobal.com <mailto:william at edisglobal.com> | william at edis.at >> <mailto:william at edis.at> | http://edis.at >> <http://edis.at/> | http://as57169.net <http://as57169.net/> >> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >> Graz, Austria >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 19:02 schrieb Sourish <sourish.ganguly at bssteleport.com >> <mailto:sourish.ganguly at bssteleport.com>>: >> >>> Dear William, >>> I do understand your concern and appreciate >>> that if you can take directly with RIPE NCC, instead of its members. >>> >>> You have all the rights to ask for clear allocation, but probably your >>> forum is wrong. Because no members are part of allocation in the RIPE. >>> >>> Thanks for understanding >>> >>> With Regards >>> >>> Sourish >>> >>> >>> On 11/21/2013 06:47 PM, William Weber wrote: >>>> I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue with >>>> ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid. >>>> >>>> I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to be >>>> incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible misusage >>>> that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE), don't forget: i >>>> TRIED to work this out with RIPE. >>>> * >>>> * >>>> If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this) then i >>>> let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing from RIPE >>>> (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that is *ALL* i >>>> wanted. Nothing more.). >>>> >>>> >>>>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might >>>>> involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I >>>>> am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really >>>>> involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >>>> 6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does and >>>> how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the *Chinese >>>> users*. >>>> Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in Africa >>>> by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views are mine, >>>> you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right to migrate to >>>> Israel at any time, so this is the way of least resistance. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your >>>>> company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for >>>>> you to post in this list, as it is only for members. >>>> I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter to >>>> you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE, and that >>>> out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this internal. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from >>>>> and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has >>>>> nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively >>>>> involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would >>>>> seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing >>>>> wrong as playing the game fairly. >>>> What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2 (TWO!!) RIPE /15 in >>>> the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and escalate after ignoring, >>>> i see this as fully legitimate and as right for any RIPE member and >>>> non RIPEmember to report policy violating usage as obviously >>>> recommended by RIPE also. While doing this i obviously also check the >>>> background and report what i have to RIPE so they have more starting >>>> points for an investigation/audit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> William Weber >>>> william at edisglobal.com >>>> <mailto:william at edisglobal.com> | william at edis.at >>>> <mailto:william at edis.at> | http://edis.at >>>> <http://edis.at/> | http://as57169.net <http://as57169.net/> >>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>> Graz, Austria >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu <h.lu at anytimechinese.com >>>> <mailto:h.lu at anytimechinese.com>>: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> For information: >>>>> Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or me personally >>>>> receive any message William has sent to us before, the only message >>>>> I have read from william was on 14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads >>>>> regarding member fees in the member mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE, >>>>> AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet meetings, so I am >>>>> not a guy not reachable, you can easily attend any of the meetings >>>>> and talk to me in a coffee break. I believe many active members in >>>>> the list can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I am >>>>> the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe meeting---and >>>>> most time the only Chinese there as well. So if someone wants to >>>>> talk to me, really don't need to go that far all the way to China to >>>>> finds me, I live in the Europe, and I have been told I am more >>>>> european thinking than Chinese by many people:) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For William: >>>>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might >>>>> involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I >>>>> am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really >>>>> involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >>>>> >>>>> Both Slovenia/Austria are subject to European Law, and as my very >>>>> limited knowledge about it, it is unlawful to obtain third party >>>>> private financial information without court permission--even for any >>>>> countries' government. I believe any level of LIR audit shouldn't >>>>> involved illegal information or research about private company or >>>>> private person's confidential information. This is way too far >>>>> beyond simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow members does >>>>> not support such unlawful investigation going on as if let it goes >>>>> on, every of us might one day being disclose your private company >>>>> data and your personal financial information just because other >>>>> people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your >>>>> company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for >>>>> you to post in this list, as it is only for members. But you still >>>>> can post on the policy mailing list, and we are very happy to hear >>>>> what policy experts has to say about our activity, although we are >>>>> very carefully read though every policy and make sure our activity >>>>> does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale of our >>>>> operation, we might miss one or two things, and if it has been >>>>> pointed out, we are very happy to correct it. >>>>> >>>>> For Christian: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from >>>>> and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has >>>>> nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively >>>>> involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would >>>>> seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing >>>>> wrong as playing the game fairly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at 下午1:12, William Weber >>>>> <ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com >>>>> <mailto:ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello together, >>>>>> >>>>>> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my >>>>>> previous contact tries ignored? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - >>>>>> I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that >>>>>> one is unclear described. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>>> personally and my private company as well >>>>>> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all >>>>>> data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and >>>>>> Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was >>>>>> usually near the expected. >>>>>> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>>>>> >>>>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be >>>>>> applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that >>>>>> Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >>>>>> >>>>>> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, >>>>>> even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is >>>>>> also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed >>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, >>>>>> and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor >>>>>> care much about Europe. >>>>>> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the >>>>>> Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish >>>>>> police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), >>>>>> Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is >>>>>> taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no >>>>>> one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian >>>>>> government does not like me they still send me invitations to >>>>>> broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies >>>>>> with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should >>>>>> explain himself, not me. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or >>>>>> statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one >>>>>> LIR i represent.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >>>>>> william at william.si <mailto:william at william.si> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" <h.lu at anytimechinese.com >>>>>> <mailto:h.lu at anytimechinese.com>>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >>>>>>> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To inasset network: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of >>>>>>> ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at 下午12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks >>>>>>> ]" <admin at inasset.es <mailto:admin at inasset.es>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE >>>>>>>> NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is >>>>>>>> not in the best interest of its members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> space in ARIN. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu <h.lu at anytimechinese.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:h.lu at anytimechinese.com>> escribió: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our >>>>>>>>> application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC >>>>>>>>> investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at >>>>>>>>> the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very >>>>>>>>> much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community >>>>>>>>> in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list >>>>>>>>> knowing me personally. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>>>>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be >>>>>>>>> obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing >>>>>>>>> quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies >>>>>>>>> I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>>>>>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>>>>>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>>>>>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC >>>>>>>>> has rights to getting into confidential area of member's >>>>>>>>> business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>>>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long >>>>>>>>> as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with >>>>>>>>> you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members >>>>>>>>> and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we >>>>>>>>> have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, >>>>>>>>> please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to >>>>>>>>> assist in the matter with them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>>>>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>>>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>>>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>>>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>>>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>>>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at 上午11:05, William Weber >>>>>>>>> <ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>>>>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to >>>>>>>>>> them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if >>>>>>>>>> you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to >>>>>>>>>> get others involved. >>>>>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and >>>>>>>>>> was ignored. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>>>>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, >>>>>>>>>> now the last reply i got was again useless and without any >>>>>>>>>> interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to >>>>>>>>>> report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before >>>>>>>>>> i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely >>>>>>>>>> took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, >>>>>>>>>> isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>>>>>>> your own picture. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>>>>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>>>>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com <http://outsideheaven.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>>>>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced >>>>>>>>>> on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles >>>>>>>>>> based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>>>>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>>>>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>>>>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail >>>>>>>>>> shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>>>>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>>>>>>> set (AD, SD, YT….), most IPs are not announced at all and seem >>>>>>>>>> unused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX >>>>>>>>>> outside of the RIPE region. >>>>>>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>>>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be >>>>>>>>>> used in to get a new one…), announced on OVH. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>>>>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the >>>>>>>>>> Netherlands, unused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com <mailto:william at edisglobal.com> | >>>>>>>>>> william at william.si <mailto:william at william.si> | http://edis.at >>>>>>>>>> <http://edis.at/> | http://as57169.net <http://as57169.net/> >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber <william at edis.at <mailto:william at edis.at>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye <andrew at ripe.net <mailto:andrew at ripe.net>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i >>>>>>>>>>> know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, >>>>>>>>>>> the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, >>>>>>>>>>> so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even >>>>>>>>>>> far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income >>>>>>>>>>> reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and >>>>>>>>>>> his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>>>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a >>>>>>>>>>> measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>>>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>>>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>>>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.edis.at <http://www.edis.at/> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is >>>>>>>>>>> STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or >>>>>>>>>>> organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain >>>>>>>>>>> PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the >>>>>>>>>>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that >>>>>>>>>>> any dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>>>>>>>>> communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you >>>>>>>>>>> have received this communication in error, please notify us >>>>>>>>>>> at support at edis.at <mailto:support at edis.at> and delete it from >>>>>>>>>>> your computer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>>> <andrew at ripe.net <mailto:andrew at ripe.net>>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address >>>>>>>>>>>> space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation >>>>>>>>>>>> procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 >>>>>>>>>>>> run-out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and >>>>>>>>>>>> community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group >>>>>>>>>>>> Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete >>>>>>>>>>>> description at: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled >>>>>>>>>>>> on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we >>>>>>>>>>>> followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP >>>>>>>>>>>> Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or >>>>>>>>>>>> /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration >>>>>>>>>>>> Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our >>>>>>>>>>>> Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to >>>>>>>>>>>> contact me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net <mailto:andrew at ripe.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>>>> <hostmaster at ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster at ripe.net>>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>> Senior >>>>>>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not >>>>>>>>>>>> exist at all? >>>>>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that >>>>>>>>>>>> if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your >>>>>>>>>>>> obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with >>>>>>>>>>>> access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 >>>>>>>>>>>> is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... >>>>>>>>>>>> yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by >>>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is >>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>>>>>> <hostmaster at ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster at ripe.net>>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other >>>>>>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false >>>>>>>>>>>>> information to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can >>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The same >>>>>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having >>>>>>>>>>>>> received a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date >>>>>>>>>>>>> on which >>>>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct >>>>>>>>>>>>> date is 14 >>>>>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at.<removed>, li.<removed>, li.<removed>, plus representing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <removed> and <removed>) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solely. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> board decision. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> members-discuss >>>>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go >>>>>>>>>> to the general page: >>>>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing >>>>>>>>>> Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> members-discuss >>>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing >>>>>>>>> Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> -- Tālrunis: +371 67788888
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