From ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com Thu Nov 21 15:05:40 2013 From: ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com (William Weber) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:05:40 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> Message-ID: <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. -- Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. Seems unused. 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 -- William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Maribor, Slovenia Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: > Von: William Weber > Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR > Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ > An: Andrew de la Haye > > Dear Andrew, > > And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... > > Sorry, but this is not really any better now: > > This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total > allocations in the entire RIPE region? > > How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? > > Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? > > How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? > > This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... > > > Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > William Weber > > -- > EDIS GmbH > NOC > Hauptplatz 3/3 > 8010 Graz > Austria > Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 > Firmenbuch: FN 308697t > > phone: +43 316 827 500 > fax: +43 316 827 500 777 > http://www.edis.at > > This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. > > > Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : > >> Dear William, >> >> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >> >> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >> >> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >> >> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >> >> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >> >> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Andrew de la Haye >> Chief Operations Officer >> RIPE NCC >> >> Singel 258 >> 1016 AB Amsterdam >> the Netherlands >> andrew at ripe.net >> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >> fax: +31 20 535 4445 > Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : > > Dear William, > > As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior > Management. > > They will come back to you ASAP. > > Best regards, > Andrea Cima > > RIPE NCC > > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >> Dear Andrea, >> >> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >> >> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >> >> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >> >> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >> William Weber >> >> -- >> EDIS GmbH >> NOC >> >> >> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >> >>> >>> Dear William, >>> >>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>> >>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>> lightly. >>> >>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Andrea Cima >>> Registration Services Manager >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>> >>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>> >>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>> >>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>> >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>> >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>> >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>> >>>> >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>> William Weber >>>> >>>> -- >>>> EDIS GmbH >>>> NOC >>>> >>>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaa at net-art.cz Thu Nov 21 15:36:14 2013 From: kaa at net-art.cz (sergey myasoedov) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:36:14 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> Message-ID: <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> Dear William, this is a good investigation. Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? -- Kind regards, sergey myasoedov You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: > As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i > make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what > you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. > This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. > I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and > the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and > without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) > Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE > after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some > associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? > I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. > -- > Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands > which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: > His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com > Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. > First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most > space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). > A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive > amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) > Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. > The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation > infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. > Seems unused. > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the > timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. > List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 > 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 > -- > William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) > william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net > EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > Maribor, Slovenia > Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> Von: William Weber >> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >> An: Andrew de la Haye >> >> Dear Andrew, >> >> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >> >> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >> >> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >> >> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >> >> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >> >> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >> >> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >> >> >> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >> William Weber >> >> -- >> EDIS GmbH >> NOC >> Hauptplatz 3/3 >> 8010 Graz >> Austria >> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >> >> phone: +43 316 827 500 >> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >> http://www.edis.at >> >> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >> >> >> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >> >>> Dear William, >>> >>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>> >>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>> >>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>> >>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>> >>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>> >>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Andrew de la Haye >>> Chief Operations Officer >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> Singel 258 >>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>> the Netherlands >>> andrew at ripe.net >>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >> > Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >> >> Dear William, >> >> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >> Management. >> >> They will come back to you ASAP. >> >> Best regards, >> Andrea Cima >> >> RIPE NCC >> >> >> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>> Dear Andrea, >>> >>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>> >>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>> >>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>> >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>> William Weber >>> >>> -- >>> EDIS GmbH >>> NOC >>> >>> >>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>> >>>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> >>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>> >>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>> lightly. >>>> >>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Andrea Cima >>>> Registration Services Manager >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>> >>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>> >>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>> >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC >>>>> >>>>> >>> From ipas.master at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 15:47:40 2013 From: ipas.master at gmail.com (Andrei) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org. Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'. For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov wrote: > Dear William, > this is a good investigation. > > Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? > > > -- > Kind regards, > sergey myasoedov > > > You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: > > > As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to > reply to me i > > make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i > don't care what > > you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps > to get others involved. > > This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was > ignored. > > > I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, > no replies and > > the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was > again useless and > > without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form > to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) > > > Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent > my mail to RIPE > > after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few > calls to some > > associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? > > I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own > picture. > > > -- > > Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in > the Netherlands > > which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling > to a /8: > > > His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - > http://outsideheaven.com > > Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as > far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. > > > First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs > AS now most > > space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). > > > A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet > massive > > amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or > his companies at all RIRs: > > > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > > > This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus > (Seychelles) > > Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to > OutsideHeaven. > > The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of > "CloudInnovation > > infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are > not announced at all and seem unused. > > > > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > > A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the > RIPE region. > > Seems unused. > > > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > > RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was > allocated, exactly the > > timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), > announced on OVH. > > > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > > Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced > by OVH on France, unused as well. > > > > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > > Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. > > > > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > > 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. > > > List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): > > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > > 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 > > 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 > > -- > > > > > > William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) > > william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | > http://as57169.net > > EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > > Maribor, Slovenia > > > > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: > > >> Von: William Weber > >> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR > >> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ > >> An: Andrew de la Haye > >> > >> Dear Andrew, > >> > >> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys > buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this > mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't > unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the > same... > >> > >> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: > >> > >> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from > you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 > in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of > the largest total > >> allocations in the entire RIPE region? > >> > >> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles > while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? > >> > >> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never > contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? > >> > >> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream > provider? > >> > >> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... > >> > >> > >> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > >> William Weber > >> > >> -- > >> EDIS GmbH > >> NOC > >> Hauptplatz 3/3 > >> 8010 Graz > >> Austria > >> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 > >> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t > >> > >> phone: +43 316 827 500 > >> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 > >> http://www.edis.at > >> > >> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is > solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may > contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify > us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. > >> > >> > >> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : > >> > >>> Dear William, > >>> > >>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been > escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration > Services Department. > >>> > >>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we > implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, > neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. > >>> > >>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at > meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our > website. You can find the complete description at: > >>> > https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf > >>> > >>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a > first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due > diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. > Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously > evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy > compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by > two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. > >>> > >>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely > and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. > >>> > >>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. > >>> > >>> Kind regards > >>> > >>> Andrew de la Haye > >>> Chief Operations Officer > >>> RIPE NCC > >>> > >>> Singel 258 > >>> 1016 AB Amsterdam > >>> the Netherlands > >>> andrew at ripe.net > >>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 > >>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 > >> > > > > Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >: > > >> > >> Dear William, > >> > >> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior > >> Management. > >> > >> They will come back to you ASAP. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Andrea Cima > >> > >> RIPE NCC > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: > >>> Dear Andrea, > >>> > >>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? > >>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase > of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world > dictators state all the time about bribery... > >>> > >>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members > add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove > lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - > Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the > accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. > >>> > >>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest > allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to > an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough > 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you > think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE > mailing list to ALL members. > >>> > >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > >>> William Weber > >>> > >>> -- > >>> EDIS GmbH > >>> NOC > >>> > >>> > >>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster < > hostmaster at ripe.net>: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Dear William, > >>>> > >>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that > >>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by > >>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. > >>>> > >>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the > >>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then > >>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same > >>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a > >>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take > >>>> lightly. > >>>> > >>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which > >>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 > >>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: > >>>> > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html > >>>> > >>>> Kind regards, > >>>> > >>>> Andrea Cima > >>>> Registration Services Manager > >>>> RIPE NCC > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: > >>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., > li., plus representing and ) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... > >>>>> > >>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven > >>>>> > >>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used > false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the > most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified > with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the > usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. > >>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for > example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from > AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. > >>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very > questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. > >>>>> > >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>> > >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the > last /8? > >>>>> > >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the > last /8? > >>>>> > >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the > last /8? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > >>>>> William Weber > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> EDIS GmbH > >>>>> NOC > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > > > > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. -- Andrei Kushnireuski Alfa Telecom s.r.o. REGID: cz.alfatelecom nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE phone: +420226020360 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Thu Nov 21 16:02:53 2013 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (H.Lu) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:02:53 -0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> Message-ID: <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> Hi: What a surprise morning. I think it was talking about me and my company. To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish every detail about their business to the public. And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. Let me know if you still have more questions. Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: > As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. > This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. > > I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) > > Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? > I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. > > -- > Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: > > His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com > Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. > > First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). > > A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: > > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > > This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. > The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. > > > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. > Seems unused. > > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. > > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. > > > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. > > > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. > > List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 > 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 > -- > > > > > William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) > william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net > EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > Maribor, Slovenia > > > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: > >> Von: William Weber >> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >> An: Andrew de la Haye >> >> Dear Andrew, >> >> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >> >> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >> >> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >> >> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >> >> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >> >> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >> >> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >> >> >> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >> William Weber >> >> -- >> EDIS GmbH >> NOC >> Hauptplatz 3/3 >> 8010 Graz >> Austria >> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >> >> phone: +43 316 827 500 >> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >> http://www.edis.at >> >> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >> >> >> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >> >>> Dear William, >>> >>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>> >>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>> >>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>> >>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>> >>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>> >>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Andrew de la Haye >>> Chief Operations Officer >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> Singel 258 >>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>> the Netherlands >>> andrew at ripe.net >>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 > > > Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : > >> >> Dear William, >> >> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >> Management. >> >> They will come back to you ASAP. >> >> Best regards, >> Andrea Cima >> >> RIPE NCC >> >> >> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>> Dear Andrea, >>> >>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>> >>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>> >>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>> >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>> William Weber >>> >>> -- >>> EDIS GmbH >>> NOC >>> >>> >>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>> >>>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> >>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>> >>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>> lightly. >>>> >>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Andrea Cima >>>> Registration Services Manager >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>> >>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>> >>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>> >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From nick at netability.ie Thu Nov 21 16:20:43 2013 From: nick at netability.ie (Nick Hilliard) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:20:43 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> Message-ID: <528E24CB.8060200@netability.ie> On 21/11/2013 14:05, William Weber wrote: > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? > > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? > > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? fyi, ripe ncc exhausted their regular address pool on sep 14 2012: http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion Not sure why you're claiming that exhaustion happened in march 2013. Nick From ipas.master at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 16:22:27 2013 From: ipas.master at gmail.com (Andrei Kushnireuski) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:22:27 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: <1D9A484E-B526-49CA-BFD0-DA23CFA7B3B4@gmail.com> Hi. I don't take a part in RIPE discussion very often but I'm sure there are no idiots =) $ traceroute 5.224.0.0 traceroute to 5.224.0.0 (5.224.0.0), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets ..... 10 te-4-1.car3.washington1.level3.net (4.79.168.201) 117.929 ms 119.218 ms 134.044 ms 11 vlan80.csw3.washington1.level3.net (4.69.149.190) 181.396 ms 178.800 ms 180.226 ms 12 ae-81-81.ebr1.washington1.level3.net (4.69.134.137) 182.706 ms 180.381 ms 182.938 ms 13 ae-4-4.ebr3.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.132.81) 181.113 ms 180.834 ms 182.469 ms 14 ae-73-73.csw2.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.137.38) 178.890 ms ae-83-83.csw3.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.137.42) 196.093 ms ae-93-93.csw4.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.137.46) 181.275 ms 15 ae-1-60.edge5.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.144.11) 186.188 ms ae-4-90.edge5.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.144.203) 179.428 ms ae-1-60.edge5.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.144.11) 182.402 ms 16 multacom.edge5.losangeles1.level3.net (205.129.5.54) 197.450 ms 187.771 ms 229.313 ms 17 tge53-13.cr5.lax.multacom.com (208.64.231.86) 186.746 ms 274.893 ms 190.544 ms 18 * * * 19 * * * Range is announced outside RIPE region and this is serious RIPE NCC policy violation and it's serious reason to start LIR audit =) Have a nice day. On 21 Nov 2013, at 16:02, H.Lu wrote: > Hi: > > What a surprise morning. > > I think it was talking about me and my company. > > To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. > > Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. > > I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. > > Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish > every detail about their business to the public. > > And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. > > At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. > > Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. > > Let me know if you still have more questions. > > > > Kind regards > > Lu > > On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: > >> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >> >> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >> >> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >> >> -- >> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >> >> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >> >> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >> >> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >> >> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >> >> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >> >> >> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >> >> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >> Seems unused. >> >> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >> >> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >> >> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >> >> >> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >> >> >> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >> >> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >> -- >> >> >> >> >> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >> Maribor, Slovenia >> >> >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >>> Von: William Weber >>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>> >>> Dear Andrew, >>> >>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>> >>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>> >>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>> >>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>> >>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>> >>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>> >>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>> >>> >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>> William Weber >>> >>> -- >>> EDIS GmbH >>> NOC >>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>> 8010 Graz >>> Austria >>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>> >>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>> http://www.edis.at >>> >>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>> >>> >>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> >>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>> >>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>> >>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>> >>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>> >>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>> >>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> Singel 258 >>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>> the Netherlands >>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>> >> >> >> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >> >>> >>> Dear William, >>> >>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>> Management. >>> >>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Andrea Cima >>> >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>> Dear Andrea, >>>> >>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>> >>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>> >>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>> >>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>> William Weber >>>> >>>> -- >>>> EDIS GmbH >>>> NOC >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>> >>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>> lightly. >>>>> >>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>> >>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>> >>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From admin at inasset.es Thu Nov 21 16:28:38 2013 From: admin at inasset.es (Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:28:38 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: <45EA6903-71A0-4B07-84DA-5B78AE428AC9@inasset.es> Good Afternoon (in Europe) Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: > Hi: > > What a surprise morning. > > I think it was talking about me and my company. > > To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. > > Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. > > I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. > > Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish > every detail about their business to the public. > > And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. > > At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. > > Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. > > Let me know if you still have more questions. > > > > Kind regards > > Lu > > On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: > >> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >> >> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >> >> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >> >> -- >> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >> >> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >> >> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >> >> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >> >> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >> >> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >> >> >> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >> >> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >> Seems unused. >> >> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >> >> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >> >> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >> >> >> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >> >> >> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >> >> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >> -- >> >> >> >> >> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >> Maribor, Slovenia >> >> >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >>> Von: William Weber >>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>> >>> Dear Andrew, >>> >>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>> >>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>> >>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>> >>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>> >>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>> >>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>> >>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>> >>> >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>> William Weber >>> >>> -- >>> EDIS GmbH >>> NOC >>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>> 8010 Graz >>> Austria >>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>> >>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>> http://www.edis.at >>> >>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>> >>> >>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> >>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>> >>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>> >>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>> >>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>> >>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>> >>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> Singel 258 >>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>> the Netherlands >>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>> >> >> >> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >> >>> >>> Dear William, >>> >>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>> Management. >>> >>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Andrea Cima >>> >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>> Dear Andrea, >>>> >>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>> >>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>> >>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>> >>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>> William Weber >>>> >>>> -- >>>> EDIS GmbH >>>> NOC >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>> >>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>> lightly. >>>>> >>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>> >>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>> >>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From admin at inasset.es Thu Nov 21 16:26:31 2013 From: admin at inasset.es (Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:26:31 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> Good Afternoon (in Europe) Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: > Hi: > > What a surprise morning. > > I think it was talking about me and my company. > > To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. > > Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. > > I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. > > Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish > every detail about their business to the public. > > And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. > > At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. > > Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. > > Let me know if you still have more questions. > > > > Kind regards > > Lu > > On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: > >> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >> >> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >> >> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >> >> -- >> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >> >> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >> >> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >> >> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >> >> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >> >> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >> >> >> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >> >> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >> Seems unused. >> >> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >> >> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >> >> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >> >> >> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >> >> >> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >> >> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >> >> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >> -- >> >> >> >> >> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >> Maribor, Slovenia >> >> >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >>> Von: William Weber >>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>> >>> Dear Andrew, >>> >>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>> >>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>> >>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>> >>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>> >>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>> >>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>> >>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>> >>> >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>> William Weber >>> >>> -- >>> EDIS GmbH >>> NOC >>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>> 8010 Graz >>> Austria >>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>> >>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>> http://www.edis.at >>> >>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>> >>> >>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> >>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>> >>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>> >>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>> >>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>> >>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>> >>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> Singel 258 >>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>> the Netherlands >>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>> >> >> >> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >> >>> >>> Dear William, >>> >>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>> Management. >>> >>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Andrea Cima >>> >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>> Dear Andrea, >>>> >>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>> >>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>> >>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>> >>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>> William Weber >>>> >>>> -- >>>> EDIS GmbH >>>> NOC >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>> >>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>> lightly. >>>>> >>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>> >>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>> >>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Thu Nov 21 16:39:43 2013 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (H.Lu) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:39:43 -0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <45EA6903-71A0-4B07-84DA-5B78AE428AC9@inasset.es> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <45EA6903-71A0-4B07-84DA-5B78AE428AC9@inasset.es> Message-ID: <5BD5F3EF-0F1B-4A34-8E14-7BE930A615BE@anytimechinese.com> Hi confidentiality are very important to protect everybody's business rights. We do not want to sue everybody here---even though I believe everybody should agree that if your company financial data get inaccurately published and your business secret getting asked in the member list, would you answer it? To answer everybody here: 1. Regarding announcement, I am not the tech guy, I will check with our tech guy and our policy guy and make sure everything is obeying the policy, and yes, as far as I know, we do announce smaller allocation inside of large allocation outside of Europe, in which is allowed by current policy, there is no policy text forbidden globe announcement. And there are many members in the list doing the same practice. 2. Regarding our business, we do not see a point that we making anything public here, if anyone would suggest any unlawful practice you may think we have, we are very happy to assist in the matter. Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??12:28, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > > Good Afternoon (in Europe) > > Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. > > For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. > > Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] > > > El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: > >> Hi: >> >> What a surprise morning. >> >> I think it was talking about me and my company. >> >> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >> >> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >> >> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >> >> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >> every detail about their business to the public. >> >> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >> >> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >> >> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >> >> Let me know if you still have more questions. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >> >>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>> >>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>> >>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>> >>> -- >>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>> >>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>> >>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>> >>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>> >>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>> >>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>> >>> >>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>> >>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>> Seems unused. >>> >>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>> >>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>> >>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>> >>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>> >>> >>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>> >>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>> >>> >>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>> >>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>> >>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>> Maribor, Slovenia >>> >>> >>> >>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>> >>>> Von: William Weber >>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>> >>>> Dear Andrew, >>>> >>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>> >>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>> >>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>> >>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>> >>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>> >>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>> >>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>> >>>> >>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>> William Weber >>>> >>>> -- >>>> EDIS GmbH >>>> NOC >>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>> 8010 Graz >>>> Austria >>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>> >>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>> http://www.edis.at >>>> >>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>> >>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>> >>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>> >>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> Singel 258 >>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>> the Netherlands >>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>> >>> >>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>> >>>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> >>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>> Management. >>>> >>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Andrea Cima >>>> >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>> >>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>> >>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>> >>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>> lightly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From ipas.master at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 16:42:50 2013 From: ipas.master at gmail.com (Andrei Kushnireuski) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:42:50 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <5BD5F3EF-0F1B-4A34-8E14-7BE930A615BE@anytimechinese.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <45EA6903-71A0-4B07-84DA-5B78AE428AC9@inasset.es> <5BD5F3EF-0F1B-4A34-8E14-7BE930A615BE@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: <2E2FA7A6-E865-409C-8397-B03B97C2F6DE@gmail.com> Another lie on your part: 5.224.0.0/15 *[BGP/170] 8w0d 11:17:44, MED 0, localpref 150, from 213.248.64.245 AS path: 3561 35916 I to 213.155.135.28 via ae0.0 to 213.155.135.34 via ae1.0 > to 213.155.135.40 via ae2.0 to 213.155.135.42 via ae3.0 to 213.155.135.48 via ae4.0 to 213.155.135.54 via ae5.0 to 213.155.136.240 via ae11.0 to 213.155.136.242 via ae12.0 Tested range is announced outside RIPE region (AS35916) in full. On 21 Nov 2013, at 16:39, H.Lu wrote: > Hi > > confidentiality are very important to protect everybody's business rights. > > We do not want to sue everybody here---even though I believe everybody should agree that if your company financial data get inaccurately published and your business secret getting asked in the member list, would you answer it? > To answer everybody here: > > 1. Regarding announcement, I am not the tech guy, I will check with our tech guy and our policy guy and make sure everything is obeying the policy, and yes, as far as I know, we do announce smaller allocation inside of large allocation outside of Europe, in which is allowed by current policy, there is no policy text forbidden globe announcement. And there are many members in the list doing the same practice. > > 2. Regarding our business, we do not see a point that we making anything public here, if anyone would suggest any unlawful practice you may think we have, we are very happy to assist in the matter. > > > > Kind regards > > Lu > > On 2013-11-21, at ??12:28, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > >> >> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >> >> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >> >> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >> >> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >> >> >> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> What a surprise morning. >>> >>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>> >>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>> >>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>> >>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>> >>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>> every detail about their business to the public. >>> >>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>> >>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>> >>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>> >>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>> >>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>> >>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>> >>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>> >>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>> >>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>> >>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>> >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> >>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>> >>>> >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> >>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>> Seems unused. >>>> >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>> >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> >>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>> >>>> >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>> >>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>> >>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>> >>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>> >>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>> >>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>> >>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>> >>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>> >>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>> >>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC >>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>> Austria >>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>> >>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>> >>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>> >>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>> >>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>> Management. >>>>> >>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>> >>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>> >>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Thu Nov 21 16:44:57 2013 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (H.Lu) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:44:57 -0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> Message-ID: <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> Hi We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, To inasset network: I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > > Good Afternoon (in Europe) > > Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. > > For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. > > Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] > > El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: > >> Hi: >> >> What a surprise morning. >> >> I think it was talking about me and my company. >> >> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >> >> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >> >> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >> >> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >> every detail about their business to the public. >> >> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >> >> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >> >> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >> >> Let me know if you still have more questions. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >> >>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>> >>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>> >>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>> >>> -- >>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>> >>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>> >>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>> >>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>> >>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>> >>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>> >>> >>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>> >>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>> Seems unused. >>> >>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>> >>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>> >>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>> >>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>> >>> >>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>> >>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>> >>> >>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>> >>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>> >>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>> Maribor, Slovenia >>> >>> >>> >>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>> >>>> Von: William Weber >>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>> >>>> Dear Andrew, >>>> >>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>> >>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>> >>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>> >>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>> >>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>> >>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>> >>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>> >>>> >>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>> William Weber >>>> >>>> -- >>>> EDIS GmbH >>>> NOC >>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>> 8010 Graz >>>> Austria >>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>> >>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>> http://www.edis.at >>>> >>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>> >>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>> >>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>> >>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> Singel 258 >>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>> the Netherlands >>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>> >>> >>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>> >>>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> >>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>> Management. >>>> >>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Andrea Cima >>>> >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>> >>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>> >>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>> >>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>> lightly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??12:42, Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: > Another lie on your part: > > 5.224.0.0/15 *[BGP/170] 8w0d 11:17:44, MED 0, localpref 150, from 213.248.64.245 > AS path: 3561 35916 I > to 213.155.135.28 via ae0.0 > to 213.155.135.34 via ae1.0 > > to 213.155.135.40 via ae2.0 > to 213.155.135.42 via ae3.0 > to 213.155.135.48 via ae4.0 > to 213.155.135.54 via ae5.0 > to 213.155.136.240 via ae11.0 > to 213.155.136.242 via ae12.0 > > > Tested range is announced outside RIPE region (AS35916) in full. > > > On 21 Nov 2013, at 16:39, H.Lu wrote: > >> Hi >> >> confidentiality are very important to protect everybody's business rights. >> >> We do not want to sue everybody here---even though I believe everybody should agree that if your company financial data get inaccurately published and your business secret getting asked in the member list, would you answer it? >> To answer everybody here: >> >> 1. Regarding announcement, I am not the tech guy, I will check with our tech guy and our policy guy and make sure everything is obeying the policy, and yes, as far as I know, we do announce smaller allocation inside of large allocation outside of Europe, in which is allowed by current policy, there is no policy text forbidden globe announcement. And there are many members in the list doing the same practice. >> >> 2. Regarding our business, we do not see a point that we making anything public here, if anyone would suggest any unlawful practice you may think we have, we are very happy to assist in the matter. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:28, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >> >>> >>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>> >>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>> >>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>> >>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>> >>> >>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> What a surprise morning. >>>> >>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>> >>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>> >>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>> >>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>> >>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>> >>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>> >>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>> >>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>> >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>> >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>> >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>> >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>> >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>> >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>> Seems unused. >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>> >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>> >>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>> >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>> >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>> Austria >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>> Management. >>>>>> >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From admin at inasset.es Thu Nov 21 16:53:22 2013 From: admin at inasset.es (Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:53:22 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: Mr. Lu, The best interests of RIPE NCC members are clearly expressed in its Policies. You and/or your organization (or any other, for this matter) must comply with them. If not, you are subject to a LIR Audit. Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] El 21/11/2013, a las 16:44, H.Lu escribi?: > Hi > > We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. > > we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, > > To inasset network: > > I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? > Kind regards > > Lu > > On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > >> >> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >> >> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >> >> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >> >> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >> >> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> What a surprise morning. >>> >>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>> >>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>> >>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>> >>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>> >>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>> every detail about their business to the public. >>> >>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>> >>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>> >>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>> >>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>> >>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>> >>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>> >>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>> >>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>> >>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>> >>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>> >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> >>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>> >>>> >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> >>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>> Seems unused. >>>> >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>> >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> >>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>> >>>> >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>> >>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>> >>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>> >>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>> >>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>> >>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>> >>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>> >>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>> >>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>> >>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC >>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>> Austria >>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>> >>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>> >>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>> >>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>> >>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>> Management. >>>>> >>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>> >>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>> >>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Thu Nov 21 16:59:30 2013 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (H.Lu) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:59:30 -0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: Hi Sure, we as member of Ripe NCC of course obey community's policy. >>> we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members However, this sentence sounds to me that you but not the policy going to decided what is the best interest of members. Sorry for misinterpretation. Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??12:53, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > > Mr. Lu, > > The best interests of RIPE NCC members are clearly expressed in its Policies. > > You and/or your organization (or any other, for this matter) must comply with them. If not, you are subject to a LIR Audit. > > Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] > > El 21/11/2013, a las 16:44, H.Lu escribi?: > >> Hi >> >> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >> >> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >> >> To inasset network: >> >> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >> >>> >>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>> >>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>> >>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>> >>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>> >>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> What a surprise morning. >>>> >>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>> >>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>> >>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>> >>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>> >>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>> >>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>> >>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>> >>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>> >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>> >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>> >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>> >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>> >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>> >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>> Seems unused. >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>> >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>> >>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>> >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>> >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>> Austria >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>> Management. >>>>>> >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Thu Nov 21 17:05:43 2013 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (H.Lu) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:05:43 -0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: And just for anyone in the list would be interested. As an active participating member of internet community at large, I am in almost every ICANN, Ripe, Afrinic, Lacnic meeting, if you'd like to talk to me personally please just drop me an Email and I would be happy to share some personal stories I have and answer any questions that are not confidential. Have a nice weekend. Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??12:53, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > > Mr. Lu, > > The best interests of RIPE NCC members are clearly expressed in its Policies. > > You and/or your organization (or any other, for this matter) must comply with them. If not, you are subject to a LIR Audit. > > Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] > > El 21/11/2013, a las 16:44, H.Lu escribi?: > >> Hi >> >> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >> >> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >> >> To inasset network: >> >> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >> >>> >>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>> >>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>> >>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>> >>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>> >>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> What a surprise morning. >>>> >>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>> >>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>> >>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>> >>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>> >>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>> >>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>> >>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>> >>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>> >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>> >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>> >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>> >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>> >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>> >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>> Seems unused. >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>> >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>> >>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>> >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>> >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>> Austria >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>> Management. >>>>>> >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at ripe.net Thu Nov 21 17:07:35 2013 From: andrew at ripe.net (Andrew de la Haye) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:07:35 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [csstaff] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: <7BD3A4AD-7EAC-4003-B051-5BA06FA3417B@ripe.net> Dear William, As discussed over several mails, the RIPE NCC has followed the policies and procedures outlined by the RIPE community and available on our website. The RIPE NCC carefully developed and documented its procedures to ensure transparency, fairness and consistency in the run-up to the last /8 of IPv4 address space. More details on those procedures are available at: http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/reaching-the-last-8-transparency-fairness-and-consistency Your escalation of this matter has risen through the different RIPE NCC management layers to ensure due diligence. Regarding the usage of Internet number resources in other regions: The RIPE NCC allocates/assigns address space to organisations that have a need in the RIPE NCC service region. The address space must be originated from the RIPE NCC service region. In addition to this there can be announcements from other regions due to the diverse nature of businesses. The RIPE community has not installed any specific policies to track, measure or restrict the usage of Internet number resources. Such discussions have taken place among the RIPE community but also in other regions such as ARIN: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2012-May/thread.html#start (Any-cast or uni-cast solutions) https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/webcast/2013-6.mov If you would like to propose a policy to the RIPE community that would address any of the issues you are concerned with, the RIPE NCC Policy Development Office (PDO) can support you in explaining the process to be followed. RIPE Policy Development: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies Please let me know if you would like me to put you in touch with the RIPE NCC PDO. Kind regards, Andrew de la Haye On Nov 21, 2013, at 4:53 PM, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > > Mr. Lu, > > The best interests of RIPE NCC members are clearly expressed in its Policies. > > You and/or your organization (or any other, for this matter) must comply with them. If not, you are subject to a LIR Audit. > > Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] > > El 21/11/2013, a las 16:44, H.Lu escribi?: > >> Hi >> >> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >> >> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >> >> To inasset network: >> >> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >> >>> >>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>> >>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>> >>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>> >>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>> >>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> What a surprise morning. >>>> >>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>> >>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>> >>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>> >>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>> >>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>> >>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>> >>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>> >>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>> >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>> >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>> >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>> >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>> >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>> >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>> Seems unused. >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>> >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>> >>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>> >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>> >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>> Austria >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>> Management. >>>>>> >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com Thu Nov 21 17:12:33 2013 From: ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com (William Weber) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:12:33 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> Hello together, So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? I was in fact AT YOUR ADDRESS in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is unclear described. >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near the expected. Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. > making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much about Europe. The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian government does not like me they still send me invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should explain himself, not me. This is also a note: The statements here are fully personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i represent. -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: william at william.si Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" : > Hi > > We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. > > we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, > > To inasset network: > > I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? > Kind regards > > Lu > > On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: > >> >> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >> >> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >> >> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >> >> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >> >> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> What a surprise morning. >>> >>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>> >>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>> >>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>> >>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>> >>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>> every detail about their business to the public. >>> >>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>> >>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>> >>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>> >>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>> >>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>> >>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>> >>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>> >>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>> >>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>> >>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>> >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> >>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>> >>>> >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> >>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>> Seems unused. >>>> >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>> >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> >>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>> >>>> >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> >>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>> >>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>> >>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>> >>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>> >>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>> >>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>> >>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>> >>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>> >>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>> >>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC >>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>> Austria >>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>> >>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>> >>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>> >>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>> >>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>> Management. >>>>> >>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>> >>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>> >>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.hoffmann at hostingundmehr.com Thu Nov 21 17:21:24 2013 From: c.hoffmann at hostingundmehr.com (Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG]) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:21:24 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> Message-ID: <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> Hey, am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue going on here? I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons working for the NCC. For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..) there is an Audit going on. Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but for my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core network is based in Europe. Or did i missed something. Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber: > Hello together, > > So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my > previous contact tries ignored? > > I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I > would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is > unclear described. > > >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me > personally and my private company as well > I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data > was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria > - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near > the expected. > Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish >> our private income data in the public space without supporting >> evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my >> lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to >> write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and >> community's support. > > I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be > applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that > Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? > > The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, > even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also > not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. > > You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and > once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much > about Europe. > The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the > Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish > police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong > authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am > being followed by the Austrian police. > > Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no > one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. > > I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian > government does not like me they still send me invitations to > broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. > > Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies > with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should > explain himself, not me. > > This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or > statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR > i represent.* > > > -- > William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: > william at william.si > > > > > Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" >: > >> Hi >> >> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >> >> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >> >> To inasset network: >> >> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe >> member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>> >>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC >>> takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in >>> the best interest of its members. >>> >>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space >>> in ARIN. >>> >>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>> >>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu >> > escribi?: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> What a surprise morning. >>>> >>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>> >>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application >>>> took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about >>>> us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being >>>> justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I >>>> would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>> >>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in >>>> past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing >>>> me personally. >>>> >>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain >>>> legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few >>>> companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not >>>> feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>> >>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has >>>> rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, >>>> otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>> >>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as >>>> it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. >>>> Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>> >>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and >>>> Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have >>>> some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please >>>> contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in >>>> the matter with them. >>>> >>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them >>>>> before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't >>>>> reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others >>>>> involved. >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>>>> ignored. >>>>> >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now >>>>> the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest >>>>> (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report >>>>> LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>> >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i >>>>> sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took >>>>> 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't >>>>> that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>> your own picture. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>> >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>> >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on >>>>> OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based >>>>> ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>> >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>> >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows >>>>> the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>> set (AD, SD, YT....), most IPs are not announced at all and seem >>>>> unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside >>>>> of the RIPE region. >>>>> Seems unused. >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used >>>>> in to get a new one...), announced on OVH. >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, >>>>> unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>> >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | >>>>> william at william.si | http://edis.at >>>>> | http://as57169.net >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>> >>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know >>>>>> guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same >>>>>> LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so >>>>>> what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far >>>>>> from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports >>>>>> filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole >>>>>> trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>> >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly >>>>>> /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>> >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>> Austria >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>> and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is >>>>>> addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>> information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>>>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying >>>>>> of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. >>>>>> If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>>>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from >>>>>> your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, >>>>>>> we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to >>>>>>> ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community >>>>>>> at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, >>>>>>> and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on >>>>>>> a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed >>>>>>> due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource >>>>>>> Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or >>>>>>> more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services >>>>>>> Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy >>>>>>> Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC >>>>>>> Senior Managers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>> >: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>> Management. >>>>>> >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist >>>>>>> at all? >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if >>>>>>> i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation >>>>>>> to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a >>>>>>> system to verify it himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is >>>>>>> reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, >>>>>>> i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, >>>>>>> please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will >>>>>>> do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL >>>>>>> members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>> >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information >>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>> at., li., li., plus representing >>>>>>>>> and ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or >>>>>>>>> bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no >>>>>>>>> trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and >>>>>>>>> Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>>>>>>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are >>>>>>>>> for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but >>>>>>>>> originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and board >>>>>>>>> decision. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>> the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>> the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From daniel.ponticello at redder.it Thu Nov 21 17:30:45 2013 From: daniel.ponticello at redder.it (Daniel Ponticello) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:30:45 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> Message-ID: <528E3535.7040302@redder.it> +1 -- Daniel Ponticello Direttore Tecnico e CEO REDDER Telco T: 0444 1783651 | F: 0444 1783652 | daniel.ponticello at redder.it www.redder.it Il 21/11/2013 17:21, Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG] ha scritto: > Hey, > > am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue > going on here? > I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as > part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons working > for the NCC. > For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..) > there is an Audit going on. > > Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but for > my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core network > is based in Europe. Or did i missed something. > > > > Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber: >> Hello together, >> >> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my >> previous contact tries ignored? >> >> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I >> would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is >> unclear described. >> >> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >> personally and my private company as well >> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data >> was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria >> - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near >> the expected. >> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish >>> our private income data in the public space without supporting >>> evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my >>> lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to >>> write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and >>> community's support. >> >> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be >> applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that >> Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >> >> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, >> even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also >> not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >> >> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and >> once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much >> about Europe. >> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the >> Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish >> police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong >> authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am >> being followed by the Austrian police. >> >> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no >> one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >> >> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian >> government does not like me they still send me invitations to >> broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >> >> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies >> with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should >> explain himself, not me. >> >> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or >> statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR >> i represent.* >> >> >> -- >> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >> william at william.si >> >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" > >: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>> >>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >>> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>> >>> To inasset network: >>> >>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe >>> member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>> >>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC >>>> takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in >>>> the best interest of its members. >>>> >>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space >>>> in ARIN. >>>> >>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>> >>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu >>> > escribi?: >>>> >>>>> Hi: >>>>> >>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>> >>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>> >>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application >>>>> took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about >>>>> us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being >>>>> justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I >>>>> would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>> >>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in >>>>> past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing >>>>> me personally. >>>>> >>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain >>>>> legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few >>>>> companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not >>>>> feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>> >>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has >>>>> rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, >>>>> otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>> >>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as >>>>> it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. >>>>> Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and >>>>> Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have >>>>> some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please >>>>> contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in >>>>> the matter with them. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them >>>>>> before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't >>>>>> reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others >>>>>> involved. >>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>>>>> ignored. >>>>>> >>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now >>>>>> the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest >>>>>> (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report >>>>>> LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i >>>>>> sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took >>>>>> 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't >>>>>> that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>>> your own picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>> >>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on >>>>>> OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based >>>>>> ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>> >>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>> >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows >>>>>> the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>>> set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside >>>>>> of the RIPE region. >>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used >>>>>> in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, >>>>>> unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>> >>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | >>>>>> william at william.si | http://edis.at >>>>>> | http://as57169.net >>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know >>>>>>> guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same >>>>>>> LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so >>>>>>> what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far >>>>>>> from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports >>>>>>> filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole >>>>>>> trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly >>>>>>> /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>> >>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>> and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is >>>>>>> addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>> information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>>>>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying >>>>>>> of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. >>>>>>> If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>>>>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from >>>>>>> your computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, >>>>>>>> we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to >>>>>>>> ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community >>>>>>>> at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, >>>>>>>> and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on >>>>>>>> a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed >>>>>>>> due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource >>>>>>>> Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or >>>>>>>> more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services >>>>>>>> Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy >>>>>>>> Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> Senior Managers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist >>>>>>>> at all? >>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if >>>>>>>> i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation >>>>>>>> to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a >>>>>>>> system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is >>>>>>>> reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, >>>>>>>> i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, >>>>>>>> please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will >>>>>>>> do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL >>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>>> at., li., li., plus representing >>>>>>>>>> and ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or >>>>>>>>>> bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no >>>>>>>>>> trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and >>>>>>>>>> Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>>>>>>>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are >>>>>>>>>> for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but >>>>>>>>>> originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and board >>>>>>>>>> decision. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>> the general page: >>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>> the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>> general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > -- > Mit freundlichen Gr??en > Christian Hoffmann > Gesch?ftsf?hrender Gesellschafter > ---- > sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG (haftungsbeschr?nkt) > Winterhuder Weg 29 > DE-22085 Hamburg > > Tel.: +49 (0) 40 / 22 81 56 17 0 > Fax.: +49 (0) 40 / 22 81 56 17 9 > - > vetretungsberechtigter Gesellschafter: > Christian Hoffmann > > USt-IdNr.: DE282309913 > Registergericht: Hamburg HRB 121712 > > -- > > [ Ein Gesch?ft, das nur Geld einbringt, ist ein schlechtes Gesch?ft. ] > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Cxx On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG] wrote: > Hey, > am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue > going on here? > I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as > part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons working > for the NCC. > For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..) > there is an Audit going on. > Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but for > my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core network > is based in Europe. Or did i missed something. > Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber: >> Hello together, >> >> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my >> previous contact tries ignored? >> >> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I >> would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is >> unclear described. >> >> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >> personally and my private company as well >> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data >> was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria >> - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near >> the expected. >> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish >>> our private income data in the public space without supporting >>> evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my >>> lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to >>> write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and >>> community's support. >> >> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be >> applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that >> Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >> >> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, >> even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also >> not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >> >> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and >> once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much >> about Europe. >> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the >> Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish >> police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong >> authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am >> being followed by the Austrian police. >> >> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no >> one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >> >> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian >> government does not like me they still send me invitations to >> broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >> >> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies >> with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should >> explain himself, not me. >> >> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or >> statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR >> i represent.* >> >> >> -- >> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >> william at william.si >> >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" > >: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>> >>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >>> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>> >>> To inasset network: >>> >>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe >>> member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>> >>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC >>>> takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in >>>> the best interest of its members. >>>> >>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space >>>> in ARIN. >>>> >>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>> >>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu >>> > escribi?: >>>> >>>>> Hi: >>>>> >>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>> >>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>> >>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application >>>>> took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about >>>>> us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being >>>>> justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I >>>>> would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>> >>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in >>>>> past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing >>>>> me personally. >>>>> >>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain >>>>> legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few >>>>> companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not >>>>> feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>> >>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has >>>>> rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, >>>>> otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>> >>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as >>>>> it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. >>>>> Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and >>>>> Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have >>>>> some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please >>>>> contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in >>>>> the matter with them. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them >>>>>> before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't >>>>>> reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others >>>>>> involved. >>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>>>>> ignored. >>>>>> >>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now >>>>>> the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest >>>>>> (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report >>>>>> LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i >>>>>> sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took >>>>>> 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't >>>>>> that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>>> your own picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>> >>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on >>>>>> OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based >>>>>> ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>> >>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>> >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows >>>>>> the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>>> set (AD, SD, YT....), most IPs are not announced at all and seem >>>>>> unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside >>>>>> of the RIPE region. >>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used >>>>>> in to get a new one...), announced on OVH. >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, >>>>>> unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>> >>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | >>>>>> william at william.si | http://edis.at >>>>>> | http://as57169.net >>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know >>>>>>> guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same >>>>>>> LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so >>>>>>> what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far >>>>>>> from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports >>>>>>> filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole >>>>>>> trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly >>>>>>> /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>> >>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>> and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is >>>>>>> addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>> information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>>>>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying >>>>>>> of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. >>>>>>> If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>>>>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from >>>>>>> your computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, >>>>>>>> we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to >>>>>>>> ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community >>>>>>>> at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, >>>>>>>> and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on >>>>>>>> a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed >>>>>>>> due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource >>>>>>>> Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or >>>>>>>> more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services >>>>>>>> Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy >>>>>>>> Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> Senior Managers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist >>>>>>>> at all? >>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if >>>>>>>> i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation >>>>>>>> to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a >>>>>>>> system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is >>>>>>>> reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, >>>>>>>> i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, >>>>>>>> please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will >>>>>>>> do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL >>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>>> at., li., li., plus representing >>>>>>>>>> and ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or >>>>>>>>>> bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no >>>>>>>>>> trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and >>>>>>>>>> Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>>>>>>>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are >>>>>>>>>> for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but >>>>>>>>>> originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and board >>>>>>>>>> decision. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>> the general page: >>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>> the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>> general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Nick From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Thu Nov 21 17:52:27 2013 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (H.Lu) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:52:27 -0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> Message-ID: <8FEF1363-7166-499F-98F3-2620ECDB0F7E@anytimechinese.com> Hi For information: Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or me personally receive any message William has sent to us before, the only message I have read from william was on 14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads regarding member fees in the member mailing list. And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE, AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet meetings, so I am not a guy not reachable, you can easily attend any of the meetings and talk to me in a coffee break. I believe many active members in the list can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I am the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe meeting---and most time the only Chinese there as well. So if someone wants to talk to me, really don't need to go that far all the way to China to finds me, I live in the Europe, and I have been told I am more european thinking than Chinese by many people:) For William: Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. Both Slovenia/Austria are subject to European Law, and as my very limited knowledge about it, it is unlawful to obtain third party private financial information without court permission--even for any countries' government. I believe any level of LIR audit shouldn't involved illegal information or research about private company or private person's confidential information. This is way too far beyond simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow members does not support such unlawful investigation going on as if let it goes on, every of us might one day being disclose your private company data and your personal financial information just because other people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him. Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it is only for members. But you still can post on the policy mailing list, and we are very happy to hear what policy experts has to say about our activity, although we are very carefully read though every policy and make sure our activity does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale of our operation, we might miss one or two things, and if it has been pointed out, we are very happy to correct it. For Christian: Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the game fairly. Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??1:12, William Weber wrote: > Hello together, > > So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? > > I was in fact AT YOUR ADDRESS in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is unclear described. > > >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well > I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near the expected. > Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. > >> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. > > I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? > > The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. > > You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much about Europe. > The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. > > Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. > > I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian government does not like me they still send me invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. > > Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should explain himself, not me. > > This is also a note: The statements here are fully personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i represent. > > > -- > William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: > william at william.si > > > > > Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" : > >> Hi >> >> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >> >> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >> >> To inasset network: >> >> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >> >>> >>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>> >>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>> >>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>> >>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>> >>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> What a surprise morning. >>>> >>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>> >>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>> >>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>> >>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>> >>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>> >>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>> >>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>> >>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>> >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>> >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>> >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>> >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>> >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>> >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>> Seems unused. >>>>> >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>> >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>> >>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>> >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>> >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>> Austria >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>> Management. >>>>>> >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sp at iphh.net Thu Nov 21 17:40:59 2013 From: sp at iphh.net (Sascha E. Pollok) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:40:59 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> Message-ID: <528E379B.3060300@iphh.net> +1. This looks clearly personal. Especially those half-anonymous complains ("Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]") look strange to me (no offense). And William, thank you for sharing all the details about your personal life (Who is more evil?) - but probably most people here do not find it interesting (just an assumption). "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]", William, did you two somehow organize to get together today to start this? I dont need an answer. Focus on facts please and keep the noise low. Thank you. The Management. Am 21.11.2013 17:21, schrieb Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG]: > Hey, > > am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue > going on here? > I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as > part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons working > for the NCC. > For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..) > there is an Audit going on. > > Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but for > my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core network > is based in Europe. Or did i missed something. > > > > Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber: >> Hello together, >> >> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my >> previous contact tries ignored? >> >> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I >> would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is >> unclear described. >> >> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >> personally and my private company as well >> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data >> was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria >> - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near >> the expected. >> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish >>> our private income data in the public space without supporting >>> evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my >>> lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to >>> write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and >>> community's support. >> >> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be >> applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that >> Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >> >> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, >> even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also >> not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >> >> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and >> once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much >> about Europe. >> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the >> Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish >> police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong >> authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am >> being followed by the Austrian police. >> >> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no >> one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >> >> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian >> government does not like me they still send me invitations to >> broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >> >> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies >> with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should >> explain himself, not me. >> >> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or >> statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR >> i represent.* >> >> >> -- >> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >> william at william.si >> >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" > >: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>> >>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >>> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>> >>> To inasset network: >>> >>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe >>> member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>> >>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC >>>> takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in >>>> the best interest of its members. >>>> >>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space >>>> in ARIN. >>>> >>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>> >>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu >>> > escribi?: >>>> >>>>> Hi: >>>>> >>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>> >>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>> >>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application >>>>> took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about >>>>> us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being >>>>> justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I >>>>> would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>> >>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in >>>>> past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing >>>>> me personally. >>>>> >>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain >>>>> legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few >>>>> companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not >>>>> feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>> >>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has >>>>> rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, >>>>> otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>> >>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as >>>>> it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. >>>>> Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and >>>>> Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have >>>>> some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please >>>>> contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in >>>>> the matter with them. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them >>>>>> before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't >>>>>> reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others >>>>>> involved. >>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>>>>> ignored. >>>>>> >>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now >>>>>> the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest >>>>>> (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report >>>>>> LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i >>>>>> sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took >>>>>> 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't >>>>>> that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>>> your own picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>> >>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on >>>>>> OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based >>>>>> ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>> >>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>> >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows >>>>>> the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>>> set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside >>>>>> of the RIPE region. >>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used >>>>>> in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, >>>>>> unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>> >>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | >>>>>> william at william.si | http://edis.at >>>>>> | http://as57169.net >>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know >>>>>>> guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same >>>>>>> LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so >>>>>>> what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far >>>>>>> from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports >>>>>>> filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole >>>>>>> trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly >>>>>>> /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>> >>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>> and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is >>>>>>> addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>> information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>>>>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying >>>>>>> of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. >>>>>>> If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>>>>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from >>>>>>> your computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, >>>>>>>> we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to >>>>>>>> ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community >>>>>>>> at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, >>>>>>>> and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on >>>>>>>> a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed >>>>>>>> due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource >>>>>>>> Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or >>>>>>>> more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services >>>>>>>> Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy >>>>>>>> Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> Senior Managers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist >>>>>>>> at all? >>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if >>>>>>>> i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation >>>>>>>> to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a >>>>>>>> system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is >>>>>>>> reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, >>>>>>>> i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, >>>>>>>> please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will >>>>>>>> do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL >>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>>> at., li., li., plus representing >>>>>>>>>> and ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or >>>>>>>>>> bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no >>>>>>>>>> trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and >>>>>>>>>> Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>>>>>>>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are >>>>>>>>>> for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but >>>>>>>>>> originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and board >>>>>>>>>> decision. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>> the general page: >>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>> the general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>> general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > -- > Mit freundlichen Gr??en > Christian Hoffmann > Gesch?ftsf?hrender Gesellschafter > ---- > sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG (haftungsbeschr?nkt) > Winterhuder Weg 29 > DE-22085 Hamburg > > Tel.: +49 (0) 40 / 22 81 56 17 0 > Fax.: +49 (0) 40 / 22 81 56 17 9 > - > vetretungsberechtigter Gesellschafter: > Christian Hoffmann > > USt-IdNr.: DE282309913 > Registergericht: Hamburg HRB 121712 > > -- > > [ Ein Gesch?ft, das nur Geld einbringt, ist ein schlechtes Gesch?ft. ] > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > From matthias.subik at ucnd.at Thu Nov 21 17:59:39 2013 From: matthias.subik at ucnd.at (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Mag=2E_Matthias_=8Aubik=22?=) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:59:39 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> Message-ID: Hello, On 21.11.2013, at 17:21, Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG] wrote: > ... > am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue going on here? ... > Or did i missed something. personally I think it boils down to the question if those who use the RIRs to collect IPs as investment are tolerated by the others that only request IPs when needed. Since the "depletion day" (we all?) I get offers to give up IP space for money quite often. Microsoft bought the nortel IPs for $10 each (if I remember correctly). William got in an argument with RIPE NCC about ARIN announcements, and he started looking around. Now he found an (self described) very active community member in ICANN/RIPE/ARIN/etc. who has lots of allocations, with few and not very descriptive assignments to back it up. Undisclosed business activities behind this very large IP pool (which I can accept) does not make it easier to understand for any LIR with probably every /28 in the whois db. So I hope I did sum it up without treating Mr. Lu and Mr. Weber differently. My two cents in this discussion: There are large LIRs (including incumbent operators) that have HUGE IP Pools, and they can serve new customers for years. As incumbent operators they only see little growth, but still have pools of /19 bits or shorter parked. But there is no return policy. Later starts in the game (as our LIR is as well) do have one /21 or /22. I personally try to delegate all business into IPv6, but not all want or can do that, or some customers are hard to win over, without IPv4. This can lead to anger, and anger needs direction. It is easy to direct it to RIPE NCC, or large IP pool holders. I do not want to say this anger is unjustified, as I personally think it is a business disadvantage compared with large telcos that requested block after block in 2012, which accelerated the depletion. This acceleration can be seen in speed the number of available block decreased throughout 2012. Dear community: Please rethink how through policy this matter can be solved, as I personally think there must be a return policy, as otherwise we will see more and more "investment-LIRs", buying IPs now, resell them later. Or make RIPE fees based on IP Pools hold. Then there is immediate calculation going on, how much space needs to be hold for 1/3/5/10 years. 50 cents per IP per year from 2015 on, would move large pools back to RIPE NCC, as this would reduce most LIRs to the technical minimum space needed. This is my first large post in this community, so I hope I didn't repeat too much which might have been said in the last community meeting, which unfortunately I couldn't attend to. Matthias Subik ps: I leave the rest here, as this list is not so much about shortening (it appears). > > > > Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber: >> Hello together, >> >> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? >> >> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is unclear described. >> >> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well >> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near the expected. >> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >> >> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >> >> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >> >> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much about Europe. >> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. >> >> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >> >> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian government does not like me they still send me invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >> >> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should explain himself, not me. >> >> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i represent.* >> >> >> -- >> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >> william at william.si >> >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" >: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>> >>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>> >>> To inasset network: >>> >>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>> >>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>>> >>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>>> >>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>> >>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu > escribi?: >>>> >>>>> Hi: >>>>> >>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>> >>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>> >>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>> >>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>>> >>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>> >>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>> >>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>>> >>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>> >>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>> >>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>> >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT....), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one...), announced on OVH. >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>> >>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>> >>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Matthias ?ubik Head of Solution Design Tel.: +43 676 83820-787 From admin at inasset.es Thu Nov 21 18:07:44 2013 From: admin at inasset.es (Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:07:44 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <528E379B.3060300@iphh.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <528E3304.8060705@hostingundmehr.com> <528E379B.3060300@iphh.net> Message-ID: Sascha, We do not have any relation with the complainer, and we would appreciate you avoid to make such suggestions. If you want to contact us, you can find our phone number and e-mail addresses at RIPE NCC Whois DB. Thank you. Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] El 21/11/2013, a las 17:40, Sascha E. Pollok escribi?: > +1. This looks clearly personal. Especially those half-anonymous > complains ("Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]") look strange to me > (no offense). And William, thank you for sharing all the details about > your personal life (Who is more evil?) - but probably most people here > do not find it interesting (just an assumption). > > "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]", William, did you two somehow > organize to get together today to start this? I dont need an answer. > > Focus on facts please and keep the noise low. Thank you. > > The Management. > > Am 21.11.2013 17:21, schrieb Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr > UG]: >> Hey, >> >> am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue >> going on here? >> I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as >> part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons working >> for the NCC. >> For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..) >> there is an Audit going on. >> >> Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but for >> my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core network >> is based in Europe. Or did i missed something. >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber: >>> Hello together, >>> >>> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my >>> previous contact tries ignored? >>> >>> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I >>> would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is >>> unclear described. >>> >>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>> personally and my private company as well >>> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data >>> was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria >>> - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near >>> the expected. >>> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish >>>> our private income data in the public space without supporting >>>> evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my >>>> lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to >>>> write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and >>>> community's support. >>> >>> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be >>> applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that >>> Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >>> >>> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, >>> even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also >>> not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >>> >>> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and >>> once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much >>> about Europe. >>> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the >>> Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish >>> police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong >>> authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am >>> being followed by the Austrian police. >>> >>> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no >>> one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >>> >>> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian >>> government does not like me they still send me invitations to >>> broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >>> >>> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies >>> with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should >>> explain himself, not me. >>> >>> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or >>> statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR >>> i represent.* >>> >>> >>> -- >>> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >>> william at william.si >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" >> >: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>>> >>>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >>>> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>>> >>>> To inasset network: >>>> >>>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe >>>> member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>>> >>>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC >>>>> takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in >>>>> the best interest of its members. >>>>> >>>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space >>>>> in ARIN. >>>>> >>>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>>> >>>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu >>>> > escribi?: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi: >>>>>> >>>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>>> >>>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application >>>>>> took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about >>>>>> us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being >>>>>> justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I >>>>>> would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in >>>>>> past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing >>>>>> me personally. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain >>>>>> legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few >>>>>> companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not >>>>>> feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has >>>>>> rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, >>>>>> otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as >>>>>> it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. >>>>>> Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and >>>>>> Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have >>>>>> some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please >>>>>> contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in >>>>>> the matter with them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Lu >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber >>>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them >>>>>>> before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't >>>>>>> reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others >>>>>>> involved. >>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>>>>>> ignored. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now >>>>>>> the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest >>>>>>> (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report >>>>>>> LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i >>>>>>> sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took >>>>>>> 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't >>>>>>> that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>>>> your own picture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on >>>>>>> OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based >>>>>>> ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows >>>>>>> the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>>>> set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside >>>>>>> of the RIPE region. >>>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used >>>>>>> in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, >>>>>>> unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | >>>>>>> william at william.si | http://edis.at >>>>>>> | http://as57169.net >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know >>>>>>>> guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same >>>>>>>> LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so >>>>>>>> what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far >>>>>>>> from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports >>>>>>>> filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole >>>>>>>> trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly >>>>>>>> /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>>> and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is >>>>>>>> addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL >>>>>>>> information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >>>>>>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying >>>>>>>> of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. >>>>>>>> If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>>>>>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from >>>>>>>> your computer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, >>>>>>>>> we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to >>>>>>>>> ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community >>>>>>>>> at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, >>>>>>>>> and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on >>>>>>>>> a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed >>>>>>>>> due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource >>>>>>>>> Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or >>>>>>>>> more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services >>>>>>>>> Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy >>>>>>>>> Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> Senior Managers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>> >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist >>>>>>>>> at all? >>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if >>>>>>>>> i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation >>>>>>>>> to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a >>>>>>>>> system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is >>>>>>>>> reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, >>>>>>>>> i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, >>>>>>>>> please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will >>>>>>>>> do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL >>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information >>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>>>> at., li., li., plus representing >>>>>>>>>>> and ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or >>>>>>>>>>> bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no >>>>>>>>>>> trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and >>>>>>>>>>> Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>>>>>>>>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are >>>>>>>>>>> for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but >>>>>>>>>>> originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and board >>>>>>>>>>> decision. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached >>>>>>>>>>> the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>> the general page: >>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>>> general page: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>> >>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>> general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> -- >> Mit freundlichen Gr??en >> Christian Hoffmann >> Gesch?ftsf?hrender Gesellschafter >> ---- >> sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG (haftungsbeschr?nkt) >> Winterhuder Weg 29 >> DE-22085 Hamburg >> >> Tel.: +49 (0) 40 / 22 81 56 17 0 >> Fax.: +49 (0) 40 / 22 81 56 17 9 >> - >> vetretungsberechtigter Gesellschafter: >> Christian Hoffmann >> >> USt-IdNr.: DE282309913 >> Registergericht: Hamburg HRB 121712 >> >> -- >> >> [ Ein Gesch?ft, das nur Geld einbringt, ist ein schlechtes Gesch?ft. ] >> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.saroyan at inn.eu Thu Nov 21 18:22:50 2013 From: alex.saroyan at inn.eu (Alex Saroyan) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:22:50 +0400 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC Message-ID: Hi, I can confirm that I have seen Lu Heng at least at all last 5-6 Ripe meetings. So +1 that he is really reachable and speakable person. Best Regards /Alex Saroyan "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >---- >If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > >Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michele at blacknight.com Thu Nov 21 18:33:33 2013 From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:33:33 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131121173026.A883159C003@merlin.blacknight.ie> References: <20131121173026.A883159C003@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: He's here in Buenos Aires this week at the ICANN meeting... I've met him several times this week I'd also question whether a RIPE mailing list is the appropriate place to make very serious allegations against another member Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________ From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net [members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] on behalf of Alex Saroyan [alex.saroyan at inn.eu] Sent: 21 November 2013 17:22 To: Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC Hi, I can confirm that I have seen Lu Heng at least at all last 5-6 Ripe meetings. So +1 that he is really reachable and speakable person. Best Regards /Alex Saroyan "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: Sascha, We do not have any relation with the complainer, and we would appreciate you avoid to make such suggestions. If you want to contact us, you can find our phone number and e-mail addresses at RIPE NCC Whois DB. Thank you. Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] El 21/11/2013, a las 17:40, Sascha E. Pollok > escribi?: +1. This looks clearly personal. Especially those half-anonymous complains ("Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]") look strange to me (no offense). And William, thank you for sharing all the details about your personal life (Who is more evil?) - but probably most people here do not find it interesting (just an assumption). "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]", William, did you two somehow organize to get together today to start this? I dont need an answer. Focus on facts please and keep the noise low. Thank you. The Management. Am 21.11.2013 17:21, schrieb Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr UG]: Hey, am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue going on here? I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons working for the NCC. For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..) there is an Audit going on. Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but for my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core network is based in Europe. Or did i missed something. Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber: Hello together, So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is unclear described. I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near the expected. Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much about Europe. The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian government does not like me they still send me invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should explain himself, not me. This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i represent.* -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: william at william.si Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" >: Hi We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, To inasset network: I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" > wrote: Good Afternoon (in Europe) Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu > escribi?: Hi: What a surprise morning. I think it was talking about me and my company. To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish every detail about their business to the public. And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. Let me know if you still have more questions. Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber > wrote: As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. -- Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. Seems unused. 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 -- William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Maribor, Slovenia Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: *Von: *William Weber > *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ *An: *Andrew de la Haye > Dear Andrew, And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... Sorry, but this is not really any better now: This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total allocations in the entire RIPE region? How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, William Weber -- EDIS GmbH NOC Hauptplatz 3/3 8010 Graz Austria Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 Firmenbuch: FN 308697t phone: +43 316 827 500 fax: +43 316 827 500 777 http://www.edis.at This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >: Dear William, We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. Kind regards Andrew de la Haye Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC Singel 258 1016 AB Amsterdam the Netherlands andrew at ripe.net tel: +31 20 535 4444 fax: +31 20 535 4445 Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >: Dear William, As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior Management. They will come back to you ASAP. Best regards, Andrea Cima RIPE NCC On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: Dear Andrea, So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, William Weber -- EDIS GmbH NOC Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >: Dear William, All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take lightly. Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html Kind regards, Andrea Cima Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... LIR is nl.outsideheaven I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, William Weber -- EDIS GmbH NOC ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com Thu Nov 21 18:47:44 2013 From: ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com (William Weber) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:47:44 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <8FEF1363-7166-499F-98F3-2620ECDB0F7E@anytimechinese.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <8FEF1363-7166-499F-98F3-2620ECDB0F7E@anytimechinese.com> Message-ID: <2DF23850-5556-4392-8812-0A1EF503C0BB@edisglobal.com> I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue with ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid. I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to be incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible misusage that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE), don't forget: i TRIED to work this out with RIPE. If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this) then i let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing from RIPE (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that is *ALL* i wanted. Nothing more.). > Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. 6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does and how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the Chinese users. Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in Africa by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views are mine, you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right to migrate to Israel at any time, so this is the way of least resistance. > Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it is only for members. I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter to you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE, and that out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this internal. > Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the game fairly. What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2 (TWO!!) RIPE /15 in the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and escalate after ignoring, i see this as fully legitimate and as right for any RIPE member and non RIPEmember to report policy violating usage as obviously recommended by RIPE also. While doing this i obviously also check the background and report what i have to RIPE so they have more starting points for an investigation/audit. -- William Weber william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu : > Hi > > For information: > Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or me personally receive any message William has sent to us before, the only message I have read from william was on 14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads regarding member fees in the member mailing list. > > And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE, AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet meetings, so I am not a guy not reachable, you can easily attend any of the meetings and talk to me in a coffee break. I believe many active members in the list can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I am the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe meeting---and most time the only Chinese there as well. So if someone wants to talk to me, really don't need to go that far all the way to China to finds me, I live in the Europe, and I have been told I am more european thinking than Chinese by many people:) > > > For William: > Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. > > Both Slovenia/Austria are subject to European Law, and as my very limited knowledge about it, it is unlawful to obtain third party private financial information without court permission--even for any countries' government. I believe any level of LIR audit shouldn't involved illegal information or research about private company or private person's confidential information. This is way too far beyond simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow members does not support such unlawful investigation going on as if let it goes on, every of us might one day being disclose your private company data and your personal financial information just because other people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him. > > Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it is only for members. But you still can post on the policy mailing list, and we are very happy to hear what policy experts has to say about our activity, although we are very carefully read though every policy and make sure our activity does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale of our operation, we might miss one or two things, and if it has been pointed out, we are very happy to correct it. > > For Christian: > > Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the game fairly. > > > > Kind regards > > Lu > > On 2013-11-21, at ??1:12, William Weber wrote: > >> Hello together, >> >> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? >> >> I was in fact AT YOUR ADDRESS in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is unclear described. >> >> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well >> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near the expected. >> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >> >>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >> >> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >> >> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >> >> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much about Europe. >> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. >> >> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >> >> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian government does not like me they still send me invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >> >> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should explain himself, not me. >> >> This is also a note: The statements here are fully personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i represent. >> >> >> -- >> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >> william at william.si >> >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" : >> >>> Hi >>> >>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>> >>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>> >>> To inasset network: >>> >>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>> >>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>>> >>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>>> >>>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>> >>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>>> >>>>> Hi: >>>>> >>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>> >>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>> >>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>> >>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>>> >>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>> >>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>> >>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>>> >>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>> >>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>> >>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>> >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>> >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>> >>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>> >>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com Thu Nov 21 19:12:05 2013 From: ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com (William Weber) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:12:05 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <528E4AA9.20104@bssteleport.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <8FEF1363-7166-499F-98F3-2620ECDB0F7E@anytimechinese.com> <2DF23850-5556-4392-8812-0A1EF503C0BB@edisglobal.com> <528E4AA9.20104@bssteleport.com> Message-ID: I also want to strongly note that Lu started with talks about suing me - I just replied him why it makes no sense and he can save his money. I didn't start this argument and was *mainly* (yes, i wrote in very strong language to RIPE and accused Lu of many things which might be true or not, time will tell) on-business. Also don't get me wrong, Lu is not *not* the only one on my list, just the newest and largest one. I will report them to RIPE one-by-one until i am done and do not care for even a single second what you all think about this (i can report LIRs all i want, and i INSIST that 2 /15 in the ARIN region *ARE* a reason to request an audit), but RIPE did not provide me with *any* way to report a LIR for audit - And this is my main issue with them (for now). All i always wanted, and still want is a confirmation of RIPE that this LIR will be audited - Then i am happy, i have *some* trust left in the RIPE/NCC and cannot change the working policy (at least not now) anyway. -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 21.11.2013 um 19:02 schrieb Sourish : > Dear William, > I do understand your concern and appreciate that if you can take directly with RIPE NCC, instead of its members. > > You have all the rights to ask for clear allocation, but probably your forum is wrong. Because no members are part of allocation in the RIPE. > > Thanks for understanding > > With Regards > > Sourish > > > On 11/21/2013 06:47 PM, William Weber wrote: >> I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue with ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid. >> >> I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to be incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible misusage that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE), don't forget: i TRIED to work this out with RIPE. >> >> If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this) then i let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing from RIPE (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that is *ALL* i wanted. Nothing more.). >> >> >>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >> 6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does and how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the Chinese users. >> Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in Africa by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views are mine, you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right to migrate to Israel at any time, so this is the way of least resistance. >> >> >>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it is only for members. >> I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter to you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE, and that out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this internal. >> >> >>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the game fairly. >> >> >> What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2 (TWO!!) RIPE /15 in the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and escalate after ignoring, i see this as fully legitimate and as right for any RIPE member and non RIPEmember to report policy violating usage as obviously recommended by RIPE also. While doing this i obviously also check the background and report what i have to RIPE so they have more starting points for an investigation/audit. >> >> >> >> -- >> William Weber >> william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >> Graz, Austria >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu : >> >>> Hi >>> >>> For information: >>> Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or me personally receive any message William has sent to us before, the only message I have read from william was on 14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads regarding member fees in the member mailing list. >>> >>> And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE, AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet meetings, so I am not a guy not reachable, you can easily attend any of the meetings and talk to me in a coffee break. I believe many active members in the list can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I am the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe meeting---and most time the only Chinese there as well. So if someone wants to talk to me, really don't need to go that far all the way to China to finds me, I live in the Europe, and I have been told I am more european thinking than Chinese by many people:) >>> >>> >>> For William: >>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >>> >>> Both Slovenia/Austria are subject to European Law, and as my very limited knowledge about it, it is unlawful to obtain third party private financial information without court permission--even for any countries' government. I believe any level of LIR audit shouldn't involved illegal information or research about private company or private person's confidential information. This is way too far beyond simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow members does not support such unlawful investigation going on as if let it goes on, every of us might one day being disclose your private company data and your personal financial information just because other people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him. >>> >>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it is only for members. But you still can post on the policy mailing list, and we are very happy to hear what policy experts has to say about our activity, although we are very carefully read though every policy and make sure our activity does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale of our operation, we might miss one or two things, and if it has been pointed out, we are very happy to correct it. >>> >>> For Christian: >>> >>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the game fairly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Lu >>> >>> On 2013-11-21, at ??1:12, William Weber wrote: >>> >>>> Hello together, >>>> >>>> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? >>>> >>>> I was in fact AT YOUR ADDRESS in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is unclear described. >>>> >>>> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well >>>> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near the expected. >>>> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>>> >>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >>>> >>>> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >>>> >>>> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much about Europe. >>>> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. >>>> >>>> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >>>> >>>> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian government does not like me they still send me invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >>>> >>>> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should explain himself, not me. >>>> >>>> This is also a note: The statements here are fully personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i represent. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >>>> william at william.si >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" : >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>>>> >>>>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>>>> >>>>> To inasset network: >>>>> >>>>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>>>> >>>>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>>>>> >>>>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>>>>> >>>>>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>>>> >>>>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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You'll find that almost all telcos block packets from the outside to their UMTS customer ranges... does that mean the addresses are not in use? It's not that easy to see from the outside whether a block is used or not, but I *do* know from experience that the RIPE NCC is quite thorough in asking nasty questions if it's "not obvious" that a block is full, before assigning a new one. Gert Doering -- No Attribution -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lists-ripe at c4inet.net Thu Nov 21 19:20:01 2013 From: lists-ripe at c4inet.net (Sascha Luck) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:20:01 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <8FEF1363-7166-499F-98F3-2620ECDB0F7E@anytimechinese.com> <2DF23850-5556-4392-8812-0A1EF503C0BB@edisglobal.com> <528E4AA9.20104@bssteleport.com> Message-ID: <20131121182001.GA73827@cilantro.c4inet.net> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 07:12:05PM +0100, William Weber wrote: >All i always wanted, and still want is a confirmation of RIPE that this >LIR will be audited - Then i am happy, i have *some* trust left in the >RIPE/NCC and cannot change the working policy (at least not now) >anyway. and who died and made you Auditor General of the RIPE region? I pay RIPE to make the decision whether a LIR needs auditing or not, not to act as the enforment arm for some personal dispute or DSW. rgds, Sascha Luck From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Thu Nov 21 19:26:10 2013 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (H.Lu) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:26:10 -0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <2DF23850-5556-4392-8812-0A1EF503C0BB@edisglobal.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <8FEF1363-7166-499F-98F3-2620ECDB0F7E@anytimechinese.com> <2DF23850-5556-4392-8812-0A1EF503C0BB@edisglobal.com> Message-ID: <8BA9F937-1ECD-4E82-9E4B-C07C2D0B0BBA@anytimechinese.com> Hi Thanks everybody for the support William, yes, I fully understand you want to work out with Ripe NCC for simple question: what is our justification material and how we get justified with the amount of range we have. But that is the exact the confidential part of the question, if anyone can work into the door of RIR and asking for justification material of any Ripe Ncc member, I believe RIR will never able to do their job anymore. We work with multiple RIRs, and I am ensure you that all of them are very good at their job, so if we really doing something bad around, All of RIRs around global would not give us this amount resource.(you have find out some of our sub companies), and yes, I am not participate in this region alone, I also join in African region, and in the future, maybe lacnic and other regions as well. As Ripe NCC has indicated, they will talk to us if there is anything we missing with current policy text, and I am 100% ensure you that we will following their instracturtions to make sure we did everything correctly. Regarding your mentioned action towards other members, I would suggest you trust Ripe NCC with their job, as a member yourself, you should already know how tough they are in asking the exact needed information for justification process. And as today's policy, even the need does not exists anymore, LIR are not forced to return the allocation but they can exchange it for other things with another LIR in the region. If you are not happy with current policy development, please move to the PDP, and you can propose the change you might think is proper for the community. And last, I agree it is not the matter for the list and my apologize for bother everybody this afternoon, It will be my last post in the treads and william, please, if you have more question about us or even you want to meet me in person, you are very welcome to send me a personal Email, as long as it is not confidential, I will happy to answer. Kind regards Lu On 2013-11-21, at ??2:47, William Weber wrote: > I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue with ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid. > > I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to be incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible misusage that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE), don't forget: i TRIED to work this out with RIPE. > > If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this) then i let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing from RIPE (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that is *ALL* i wanted. Nothing more.). > > >> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. > 6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does and how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the Chinese users. > Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in Africa by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views are mine, you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right to migrate to Israel at any time, so this is the way of least resistance. > > >> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it is only for members. > I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter to you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE, and that out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this internal. > > >> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the game fairly. > > > What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2 (TWO!!) RIPE /15 in the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and escalate after ignoring, i see this as fully legitimate and as right for any RIPE member and non RIPEmember to report policy violating usage as obviously recommended by RIPE also. While doing this i obviously also check the background and report what i have to RIPE so they have more starting points for an investigation/audit. > > > > -- > William Weber > william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net > EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > Graz, Austria > > > > Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu : > >> Hi >> >> For information: >> Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or me personally receive any message William has sent to us before, the only message I have read from william was on 14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads regarding member fees in the member mailing list. >> >> And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE, AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet meetings, so I am not a guy not reachable, you can easily attend any of the meetings and talk to me in a coffee break. I believe many active members in the list can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I am the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe meeting---and most time the only Chinese there as well. So if someone wants to talk to me, really don't need to go that far all the way to China to finds me, I live in the Europe, and I have been told I am more european thinking than Chinese by many people:) >> >> >> For William: >> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >> >> Both Slovenia/Austria are subject to European Law, and as my very limited knowledge about it, it is unlawful to obtain third party private financial information without court permission--even for any countries' government. I believe any level of LIR audit shouldn't involved illegal information or research about private company or private person's confidential information. This is way too far beyond simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow members does not support such unlawful investigation going on as if let it goes on, every of us might one day being disclose your private company data and your personal financial information just because other people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him. >> >> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it is only for members. But you still can post on the policy mailing list, and we are very happy to hear what policy experts has to say about our activity, although we are very carefully read though every policy and make sure our activity does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale of our operation, we might miss one or two things, and if it has been pointed out, we are very happy to correct it. >> >> For Christian: >> >> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the game fairly. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Lu >> >> On 2013-11-21, at ??1:12, William Weber wrote: >> >>> Hello together, >>> >>> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? >>> >>> I was in fact AT YOUR ADDRESS in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is unclear described. >>> >>> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well >>> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near the expected. >>> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>> >>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>> >>> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >>> >>> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system. >>> >>> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much about Europe. >>> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. >>> >>> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >>> >>> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian government does not like me they still send me invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >>> >>> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should explain himself, not me. >>> >>> This is also a note: The statements here are fully personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i represent. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >>> william at william.si >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" : >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>>> >>>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>>> >>>> To inasset network: >>>> >>>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]" wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>>> >>>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in the best interest of its members. >>>>> >>>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN. >>>>> >>>>> Administration - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>>> >>>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu escribi?: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi: >>>>>> >>>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>>> >>>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing me personally. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not provide more details here, like every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into confidential area of member's business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in the matter with them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in the public space without supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Lu >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others involved. >>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was ignored. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own picture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE region. >>>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Can you guys please grow up, and solve your personal issues somewhere else. I don't think this list is appropriate place fpr these sort of problems, and I doubt majority of us have certain medical degree to be able to help in such situations. greets, Primoz Jeroncic Support - IP Connectivity & Routing ------------------------------------------------------------------- Softnet d.o.o. tel: +386 1 81 00 100 | Yesterday is history, Borovec 2 fax: +386 1 81 00 101 | tomorrow is mystery, 1236 Trzin primoz(at)softnet.si | but today is gift. That's Slovenija http://flea.softnet.si/ | why it's called present ------------------------------------------------------------------- On 11/21/13 7:12 PM, William Weber wrote: > I also want to strongly note that Lu started with talks about suing me - > I just replied him why it makes no sense and he can save his money. > I didn't start this argument and was *mainly* (yes, i wrote in very > strong language to RIPE and accused Lu of many things which might be > true or not, time will tell) on-business. > > Also don't get me wrong, Lu is not *not* the only one on my list, just > the newest and largest one. > I will report them to RIPE one-by-one until i am done and do not care > for even a single second what you all think about this (i can report > LIRs all i want, and i INSIST that 2 /15 in the ARIN region *ARE* a > reason to request an audit), but RIPE did not provide me with *any* way > to report a LIR for audit - And this is my main issue with them (for now). > > All i always wanted, and still want is a confirmation of RIPE that this > LIR will be audited - Then i am happy, i have *some* trust left in the > RIPE/NCC and cannot change the working policy (at least not now) anyway. > > -- > William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh > william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at > | http://edis.at > | http://as57169.net > EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > Graz, Austria > > > > Am 21.11.2013 um 19:02 schrieb Sourish >: > >> Dear William, >> I do understand your concern and appreciate >> that if you can take directly with RIPE NCC, instead of its members. >> >> You have all the rights to ask for clear allocation, but probably your >> forum is wrong. Because no members are part of allocation in the RIPE. >> >> Thanks for understanding >> >> With Regards >> >> Sourish >> >> >> On 11/21/2013 06:47 PM, William Weber wrote: >>> I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue with >>> ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid. >>> >>> I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to be >>> incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible misusage >>> that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE), don't forget: i >>> TRIED to work this out with RIPE. >>> * >>> * >>> If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this) then i >>> let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing from RIPE >>> (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that is *ALL* i >>> wanted. Nothing more.). >>> >>> >>>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might >>>> involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I >>>> am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really >>>> involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >>> 6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does and >>> how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the *Chinese >>> users*. >>> Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in Africa >>> by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views are mine, >>> you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right to migrate to >>> Israel at any time, so this is the way of least resistance. >>> >>> >>>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your >>>> company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for >>>> you to post in this list, as it is only for members. >>> I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter to >>> you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE, and that >>> out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this internal. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from >>>> and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has >>>> nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively >>>> involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would >>>> seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing >>>> wrong as playing the game fairly. >>> >>> What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2 (TWO!!) RIPE /15 in >>> the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and escalate after ignoring, >>> i see this as fully legitimate and as right for any RIPE member and >>> non RIPEmember to report policy violating usage as obviously >>> recommended by RIPE also. While doing this i obviously also check the >>> background and report what i have to RIPE so they have more starting >>> points for an investigation/audit. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> William Weber >>> william at edisglobal.com >>> | william at edis.at >>> | http://edis.at >>> | http://as57169.net >>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>> Graz, Austria >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu >> >: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> For information: >>>> Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or me personally >>>> receive any message William has sent to us before, the only message >>>> I have read from william was on 14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads >>>> regarding member fees in the member mailing list. >>>> >>>> And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE, >>>> AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet meetings, so I am >>>> not a guy not reachable, you can easily attend any of the meetings >>>> and talk to me in a coffee break. I believe many active members in >>>> the list can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I am >>>> the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe meeting---and >>>> most time the only Chinese there as well. So if someone wants to >>>> talk to me, really don't need to go that far all the way to China to >>>> finds me, I live in the Europe, and I have been told I am more >>>> european thinking than Chinese by many people:) >>>> >>>> >>>> For William: >>>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might >>>> involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I >>>> am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really >>>> involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >>>> >>>> Both Slovenia/Austria are subject to European Law, and as my very >>>> limited knowledge about it, it is unlawful to obtain third party >>>> private financial information without court permission--even for any >>>> countries' government. I believe any level of LIR audit shouldn't >>>> involved illegal information or research about private company or >>>> private person's confidential information. This is way too far >>>> beyond simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow members does >>>> not support such unlawful investigation going on as if let it goes >>>> on, every of us might one day being disclose your private company >>>> data and your personal financial information just because other >>>> people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him. >>>> >>>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your >>>> company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for >>>> you to post in this list, as it is only for members. But you still >>>> can post on the policy mailing list, and we are very happy to hear >>>> what policy experts has to say about our activity, although we are >>>> very carefully read though every policy and make sure our activity >>>> does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale of our >>>> operation, we might miss one or two things, and if it has been >>>> pointed out, we are very happy to correct it. >>>> >>>> For Christian: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from >>>> and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has >>>> nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively >>>> involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would >>>> seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing >>>> wrong as playing the game fairly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Lu >>>> >>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??1:12, William Weber >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello together, >>>>> >>>>> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my >>>>> previous contact tries ignored? >>>>> >>>>> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - >>>>> I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that >>>>> one is unclear described. >>>>> >>>>> >I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>> personally and my private company as well >>>>> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all >>>>> data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and >>>>> Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was >>>>> usually near the expected. >>>>> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>>>> >>>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be >>>>> applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that >>>>> Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >>>>> >>>>> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, >>>>> even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is >>>>> also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, >>>>> and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor >>>>> care much about Europe. >>>>> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the >>>>> Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish >>>>> police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), >>>>> Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is >>>>> taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. >>>>> >>>>> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no >>>>> one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >>>>> >>>>> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian >>>>> government does not like me they still send me invitations to >>>>> broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >>>>> >>>>> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies >>>>> with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should >>>>> explain himself, not me. >>>>> >>>>> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or >>>>> statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one >>>>> LIR i represent.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >>>>> william at william.si >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" >>>> >: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>>>>> >>>>>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >>>>>> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>>>>> >>>>>> To inasset network: >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of >>>>>> ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Lu >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks >>>>>> ]" > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE >>>>>>> NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is >>>>>>> not in the best interest of its members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC >>>>>>> space in ARIN. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu >>>>>> > escribi?: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our >>>>>>>> application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC >>>>>>>> investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at >>>>>>>> the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very >>>>>>>> much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community >>>>>>>> in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list >>>>>>>> knowing me personally. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>>>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be >>>>>>>> obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing >>>>>>>> quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies >>>>>>>> I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>>>>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>>>>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>>>>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC >>>>>>>> has rights to getting into confidential area of member's >>>>>>>> business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long >>>>>>>> as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with >>>>>>>> you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members >>>>>>>> and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we >>>>>>>> have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, >>>>>>>> please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to >>>>>>>> assist in the matter with them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>>>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>>>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to >>>>>>>>> them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if >>>>>>>>> you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to >>>>>>>>> get others involved. >>>>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and >>>>>>>>> was ignored. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>>>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, >>>>>>>>> now the last reply i got was again useless and without any >>>>>>>>> interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to >>>>>>>>> report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before >>>>>>>>> i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely >>>>>>>>> took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, >>>>>>>>> isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>>>>>> your own picture. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>>>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>>>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>>>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced >>>>>>>>> on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles >>>>>>>>> based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>>>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>>>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>>>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail >>>>>>>>> shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>>>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>>>>>> set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem >>>>>>>>> unused. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX >>>>>>>>> outside of the RIPE region. >>>>>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be >>>>>>>>> used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>>>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the >>>>>>>>> Netherlands, unused. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | >>>>>>>>> william at william.si | http://edis.at >>>>>>>>> | http://as57169.net >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i >>>>>>>>>> know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, >>>>>>>>>> the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, >>>>>>>>>> so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even >>>>>>>>>> far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income >>>>>>>>>> reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and >>>>>>>>>> his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a >>>>>>>>>> measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is >>>>>>>>>> STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or >>>>>>>>>> organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain >>>>>>>>>> PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the >>>>>>>>>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that >>>>>>>>>> any dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>>>>>>>> communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you >>>>>>>>>> have received this communication in error, please notify us >>>>>>>>>> at support at edis.at and delete it from >>>>>>>>>> your computer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address >>>>>>>>>>> space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation >>>>>>>>>>> procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 >>>>>>>>>>> run-out. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and >>>>>>>>>>> community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group >>>>>>>>>>> Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete >>>>>>>>>>> description at: >>>>>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled >>>>>>>>>>> on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we >>>>>>>>>>> followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP >>>>>>>>>>> Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or >>>>>>>>>>> /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration >>>>>>>>>>> Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our >>>>>>>>>>> Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to >>>>>>>>>>> contact me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> Senior >>>>>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not >>>>>>>>>>> exist at all? >>>>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that >>>>>>>>>>> if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your >>>>>>>>>>> obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with >>>>>>>>>>> access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 >>>>>>>>>>> is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... >>>>>>>>>>> yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by >>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is >>>>>>>>>>> appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other >>>>>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false >>>>>>>>>>>> information to the >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can >>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. >>>>>>>>>>>> The same >>>>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having >>>>>>>>>>>> received a >>>>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date >>>>>>>>>>>> on which >>>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct >>>>>>>>>>>> date is 14 >>>>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>>>>>> at., li., li., plus representing >>>>>>>>>>>>> and ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies >>>>>>>>>>>>> or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company >>>>>>>>>>>>> has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify >>>>>>>>>>>>> the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most >>>>>>>>>>>>> are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region >>>>>>>>>>>>> but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) >>>>>>>>>>>>> solely. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and >>>>>>>>>>>>> board decision. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> members-discuss >>>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go >>>>>>>>> to the general page: >>>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing >>>>>>>>> Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> members-discuss >>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing >>>>>>>> Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>> the general page: >>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > -- Primoz Jeroncic / Softnet d.o.o. 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From jj at streamnetworks.lv Fri Nov 22 00:32:55 2013 From: jj at streamnetworks.lv (=?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlzIEphdW5vxaHEgW5z?=) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:32:55 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <528E55B0.1050309@softnet.si> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <54E53DFD-5E8D-4CFC-9A0F-3556C24DFC07@anytimechinese.com> <001EB946-E454-430D-9A08-31E78D7B67B0@inasset.es> <4E8EBF30-DBBD-4D2B-9738-984EE86C5FA9@anytimechinese.com> <67E1431D-6133-44D1-AEBD-C7E9971B0288@edisglobal.com> <8FEF1363-7166-499F-98F3-2620ECDB0F7E@anytimechinese.com> <2DF23850-5556-4392-8812-0A1EF503C0BB@edisglobal.com> <528E4AA9.20104@bssteleport.com> <528E55B0.1050309@softnet.si> Message-ID: <528E9827.50804@streamnetworks.lv> haha, +1. still, lold about Lu, "I'll sue you!" :D William, will you go after ipv6 also? ipv4 is dead, deal with it :) On 21/11/13 20:49, Primoz Jeroncic / Softnet wrote: > If it wouldn't get later and later with every minute, I would probably > jump and get bag of popcorn and box of beer, but this way, I'm scared my > mailbox will be filled by tomorrow morning with mails of people acting > like 2 years old kids, and my phone will be beeping all night long. > Can you guys please grow up, and solve your personal issues somewhere > else. I don't think this list is appropriate place fpr these sort of > problems, and I doubt majority of us have certain medical degree to be > able to help in such situations. > > greets, > Primoz Jeroncic > Support - IP Connectivity & Routing > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Softnet d.o.o. tel: +386 1 81 00 100 | Yesterday is history, > Borovec 2 fax: +386 1 81 00 101 | tomorrow is mystery, > 1236 Trzin primoz(at)softnet.si | but today is gift. That's > Slovenija http://flea.softnet.si/ | why it's called present > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On 11/21/13 7:12 PM, William Weber wrote: >> I also want to strongly note that Lu started with talks about suing me - >> I just replied him why it makes no sense and he can save his money. >> I didn't start this argument and was *mainly* (yes, i wrote in very >> strong language to RIPE and accused Lu of many things which might be >> true or not, time will tell) on-business. >> >> Also don't get me wrong, Lu is not *not* the only one on my list, just >> the newest and largest one. >> I will report them to RIPE one-by-one until i am done and do not care >> for even a single second what you all think about this (i can report >> LIRs all i want, and i INSIST that 2 /15 in the ARIN region *ARE* a >> reason to request an audit), but RIPE did not provide me with *any* way >> to report a LIR for audit - And this is my main issue with them (for now). >> >> All i always wanted, and still want is a confirmation of RIPE that this >> LIR will be audited - Then i am happy, i have *some* trust left in the >> RIPE/NCC and cannot change the working policy (at least not now) anyway. >> >> -- >> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh >> william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at >> | http://edis.at >> | http://as57169.net >> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >> Graz, Austria >> >> >> >> Am 21.11.2013 um 19:02 schrieb Sourish > >: >> >>> Dear William, >>> I do understand your concern and appreciate >>> that if you can take directly with RIPE NCC, instead of its members. >>> >>> You have all the rights to ask for clear allocation, but probably your >>> forum is wrong. Because no members are part of allocation in the RIPE. >>> >>> Thanks for understanding >>> >>> With Regards >>> >>> Sourish >>> >>> >>> On 11/21/2013 06:47 PM, William Weber wrote: >>>> I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue with >>>> ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid. >>>> >>>> I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to be >>>> incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible misusage >>>> that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE), don't forget: i >>>> TRIED to work this out with RIPE. >>>> * >>>> * >>>> If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this) then i >>>> let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing from RIPE >>>> (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that is *ALL* i >>>> wanted. Nothing more.). >>>> >>>> >>>>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might >>>>> involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I >>>>> am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really >>>>> involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >>>> 6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does and >>>> how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the *Chinese >>>> users*. >>>> Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in Africa >>>> by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views are mine, >>>> you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right to migrate to >>>> Israel at any time, so this is the way of least resistance. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your >>>>> company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for >>>>> you to post in this list, as it is only for members. >>>> I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter to >>>> you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE, and that >>>> out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this internal. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from >>>>> and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has >>>>> nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively >>>>> involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would >>>>> seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing >>>>> wrong as playing the game fairly. >>>> What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2 (TWO!!) RIPE /15 in >>>> the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and escalate after ignoring, >>>> i see this as fully legitimate and as right for any RIPE member and >>>> non RIPEmember to report policy violating usage as obviously >>>> recommended by RIPE also. While doing this i obviously also check the >>>> background and report what i have to RIPE so they have more starting >>>> points for an investigation/audit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> William Weber >>>> william at edisglobal.com >>>> | william at edis.at >>>> | http://edis.at >>>> | http://as57169.net >>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>> Graz, Austria >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu >>> >: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> For information: >>>>> Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or me personally >>>>> receive any message William has sent to us before, the only message >>>>> I have read from william was on 14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads >>>>> regarding member fees in the member mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE, >>>>> AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet meetings, so I am >>>>> not a guy not reachable, you can easily attend any of the meetings >>>>> and talk to me in a coffee break. I believe many active members in >>>>> the list can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I am >>>>> the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe meeting---and >>>>> most time the only Chinese there as well. So if someone wants to >>>>> talk to me, really don't need to go that far all the way to China to >>>>> finds me, I live in the Europe, and I have been told I am more >>>>> european thinking than Chinese by many people:) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For William: >>>>> Giving all the information with possible unlawful activity you might >>>>> involved with(the reason government would investigate about you), I >>>>> am very doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really >>>>> involvement with us. And why you need to run away from Europe. >>>>> >>>>> Both Slovenia/Austria are subject to European Law, and as my very >>>>> limited knowledge about it, it is unlawful to obtain third party >>>>> private financial information without court permission--even for any >>>>> countries' government. I believe any level of LIR audit shouldn't >>>>> involved illegal information or research about private company or >>>>> private person's confidential information. This is way too far >>>>> beyond simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow members does >>>>> not support such unlawful investigation going on as if let it goes >>>>> on, every of us might one day being disclose your private company >>>>> data and your personal financial information just because other >>>>> people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him. >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, if you are not speaking for EDIS, and if your >>>>> company are not yet a Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for >>>>> you to post in this list, as it is only for members. But you still >>>>> can post on the policy mailing list, and we are very happy to hear >>>>> what policy experts has to say about our activity, although we are >>>>> very carefully read though every policy and make sure our activity >>>>> does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale of our >>>>> operation, we might miss one or two things, and if it has been >>>>> pointed out, we are very happy to correct it. >>>>> >>>>> For Christian: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the support. I also wonder where this guy is coming from >>>>> and what really is his problem with our business, as we really has >>>>> nothing to do with him at all. and I personally has been actively >>>>> involved in the Ripe policy working group for many years, we would >>>>> seriously obey every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing >>>>> wrong as playing the game fairly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Lu >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??1:12, William Weber >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello together, >>>>>> >>>>>> So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my >>>>>> previous contact tries ignored? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - >>>>>> I would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that >>>>>> one is unclear described. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>>> personally and my private company as well >>>>>> I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all >>>>>> data was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and >>>>>> Austria - I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was >>>>>> usually near the expected. >>>>>> Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands. >>>>>> >>>>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be >>>>>> applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that >>>>>> Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)? >>>>>> >>>>>> The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make, >>>>>> even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is >>>>>> also not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed >>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, >>>>>> and once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor >>>>>> care much about Europe. >>>>>> The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the >>>>>> Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish >>>>>> police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), >>>>>> Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is >>>>>> taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no >>>>>> one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian >>>>>> government does not like me they still send me invitations to >>>>>> broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies >>>>>> with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should >>>>>> explain himself, not me. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or >>>>>> statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one >>>>>> LIR i represent.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: >>>>>> william at william.si >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" >>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally >>>>>>> involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To inasset network: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of >>>>>>> ripe member" and justifying other member's IP usage? >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks >>>>>>> ]" > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good Afternoon (in Europe) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE >>>>>>>> NCC takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is >>>>>>>> not in the best interest of its members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> space in ARIN. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu >>>>>>> > escribi?: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What a surprise morning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it was talking about me and my company. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To clarify few things, the justification process of our >>>>>>>>> application took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC >>>>>>>>> investigate about us heavily in the major service we provided at >>>>>>>>> the time of it being justified. and corruption claim are very >>>>>>>>> much inappreicate and I would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community >>>>>>>>> in past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list >>>>>>>>> knowing me personally. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me >>>>>>>>> personally and my private company as well. as it can not be >>>>>>>>> obtain legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing >>>>>>>>> quite few companies worldwide but they are all private companies >>>>>>>>> I do not feel the need to share our financial details publicly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not >>>>>>>>> provide more details here, like every request, Member base are >>>>>>>>> trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of >>>>>>>>> application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC >>>>>>>>> has rights to getting into confidential area of member's >>>>>>>>> business, otherwise I believe every member would have to publish >>>>>>>>> every detail about their business to the public. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long >>>>>>>>> as it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with >>>>>>>>> you. Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members >>>>>>>>> and Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we >>>>>>>>> have some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, >>>>>>>>> please contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to >>>>>>>>> assist in the matter with them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer, >>>>>>>>> making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate >>>>>>>>> publish our private income data in the public space without >>>>>>>>> supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law, >>>>>>>>> although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I >>>>>>>>> insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate >>>>>>>>> member's understanding and community's support. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me know if you still have more questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-11-21, at ??11:05, William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one >>>>>>>>>> needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to >>>>>>>>>> them before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if >>>>>>>>>> you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps to >>>>>>>>>> get others involved. >>>>>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and >>>>>>>>>> was ignored. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up >>>>>>>>>> mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, >>>>>>>>>> now the last reply i got was again useless and without any >>>>>>>>>> interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to >>>>>>>>>> report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before >>>>>>>>>> i sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely >>>>>>>>>> took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, >>>>>>>>>> isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make >>>>>>>>>> your own picture. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a >>>>>>>>>> sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have >>>>>>>>>> RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and >>>>>>>>>> does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced >>>>>>>>>> on OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles >>>>>>>>>> based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are >>>>>>>>>> provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him >>>>>>>>>> personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles >>>>>>>>>> ("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail >>>>>>>>>> shows the connection to OutsideHeaven. >>>>>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the >>>>>>>>>> descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries >>>>>>>>>> set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are not announced at all and seem >>>>>>>>>> unused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX >>>>>>>>>> outside of the RIPE region. >>>>>>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>>>>>> allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be >>>>>>>>>> used in to get a new one?), announced on OVH. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) >>>>>>>>>> announced by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the >>>>>>>>>> Netherlands, unused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | >>>>>>>>>> william at william.si | http://edis.at >>>>>>>>>> | http://as57169.net >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Von: *William Weber > >>>>>>>>>>> *Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR* >>>>>>>>>>> *Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>>>>>> *An: *Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i >>>>>>>>>>> know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, >>>>>>>>>>> the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, >>>>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, >>>>>>>>>>> so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even >>>>>>>>>>> far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income >>>>>>>>>>> reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and >>>>>>>>>>> his sole trader status and has one of the largest total >>>>>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los >>>>>>>>>>> Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a >>>>>>>>>>> measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and >>>>>>>>>>> never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at >>>>>>>>>>> add-alloc? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his >>>>>>>>>>> upstream provider? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is >>>>>>>>>>> STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is solely for the individual or >>>>>>>>>>> organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain >>>>>>>>>>> PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the >>>>>>>>>>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that >>>>>>>>>>> any dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>>>>>>>>> communication and its contents is strictly prohibited. If you >>>>>>>>>>> have received this communication in error, please notify us >>>>>>>>>>> at support at edis.at and delete it from >>>>>>>>>>> your computer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket >>>>>>>>>>>> has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> NCC's Registration Services Department. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address >>>>>>>>>>>> space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation >>>>>>>>>>>> procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 >>>>>>>>>>>> run-out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and >>>>>>>>>>>> community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group >>>>>>>>>>>> Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete >>>>>>>>>>>> description at: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled >>>>>>>>>>>> on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we >>>>>>>>>>>> followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP >>>>>>>>>>>> Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or >>>>>>>>>>>> /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration >>>>>>>>>>>> Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our >>>>>>>>>>>> Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process >>>>>>>>>>>> completely and, based on the information we received, were >>>>>>>>>>>> entirely justified. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to >>>>>>>>>>>> contact me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>> Senior >>>>>>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not >>>>>>>>>>>> exist at all? >>>>>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a >>>>>>>>>>>> suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse >>>>>>>>>>>> than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely >>>>>>>>>>>> *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that >>>>>>>>>>>> if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your >>>>>>>>>>>> obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with >>>>>>>>>>>> access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 >>>>>>>>>>>> is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... >>>>>>>>>>>> yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by >>>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is >>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the >>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and >>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation that >>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information >>>>>>>>>>>>> provided by >>>>>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other >>>>>>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false >>>>>>>>>>>>> information to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can >>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The same >>>>>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having >>>>>>>>>>>>> received a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date >>>>>>>>>>>>> on which >>>>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct >>>>>>>>>>>>> date is 14 >>>>>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at., li., li., plus representing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solely. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very questionable as well and overturning a members and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> board decision. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached the last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> members-discuss >>>>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go >>>>>>>>>> to the general page: >>>>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing >>>>>>>>>> Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> members-discuss >>>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing >>>>>>>>> Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>>>>> the general page: >>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>>>>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> -- T?lrunis: +371 67788888 From a.gurbo at severen.net Fri Nov 22 07:49:08 2013 From: a.gurbo at severen.net (Alexandr Gurbo) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:49:08 +0400 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> Message-ID: <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> Hello all, When was last audit for AS35916? Such allocations are similar to fraud. May be Mr. Lu open and active person, and active present at the meetings, but.... RIPE NCC stuff, to clarify incident please start audit for AS35916 and announce results to us. Don't provide to us private information about business client. Provide information on the allocated blocks. They are used for their intended purpose or not. On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100 Andrei wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it > was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I > couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org. > > Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject > abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges > with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this > assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'. > > For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion. > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov wrote: > > > Dear William, > > this is a good investigation. > > > > Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? > > > > > > -- > > Kind regards, > > sergey myasoedov > > > > > > You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: > > > > > As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to > > reply to me i > > > make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i > > don't care what > > > you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps > > to get others involved. > > > This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was > > ignored. > > > > > I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, > > no replies and > > > the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was > > again useless and > > > without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form > > to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) > > > > > Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent > > my mail to RIPE > > > after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few > > calls to some > > > associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? > > > I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own > > picture. > > > > > -- > > > Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in > > the Netherlands > > > which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling > > to a /8: > > > > > His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - > > http://outsideheaven.com > > > Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as > > far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. > > > > > First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs > > AS now most > > > space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). > > > > > A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet > > massive > > > amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or > > his companies at all RIRs: > > > > > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > > > > > This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus > > (Seychelles) > > > Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to > > OutsideHeaven. > > > The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of > > "CloudInnovation > > > infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are > > not announced at all and seem unused. > > > > > > > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > > > > A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the > > RIPE region. > > > Seems unused. > > > > > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > > > > RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was > > allocated, exactly the > > > timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), > > announced on OVH. > > > > > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > > > > Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced > > by OVH on France, unused as well. > > > > > > > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > > > > Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. > > > > > > > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > > > > 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. > > > > > List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): > > > 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > > > 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > > > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > > > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > > > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > > > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > > > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 > > > 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) > > > william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | > > http://as57169.net > > > EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > > > Maribor, Slovenia > > > > > > > > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: > > > > >> Von: William Weber > > >> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR > > >> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ > > >> An: Andrew de la Haye > > >> > > >> Dear Andrew, > > >> > > >> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys > > buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this > > mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't > > unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the > > same... > > >> > > >> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: > > >> > > >> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from > > you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 > > in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of > > the largest total > > >> allocations in the entire RIPE region? > > >> > > >> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles > > while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? > > >> > > >> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never > > contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? > > >> > > >> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream > > provider? > > >> > > >> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... > > >> > > >> > > >> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > > >> William Weber > > >> > > >> -- > > >> EDIS GmbH > > >> NOC > > >> Hauptplatz 3/3 > > >> 8010 Graz > > >> Austria > > >> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 > > >> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t > > >> > > >> phone: +43 316 827 500 > > >> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 > > >> http://www.edis.at > > >> > > >> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is > > solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may > > contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > > distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify > > us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. > > >> > > >> > > >> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : > > >> > > >>> Dear William, > > >>> > > >>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been > > escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration > > Services Department. > > >>> > > >>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we > > implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, > > neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. > > >>> > > >>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at > > meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our > > website. You can find the complete description at: > > >>> > > https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf > > >>> > > >>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a > > first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due > > diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. > > Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously > > evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy > > compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by > > two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. > > >>> > > >>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely > > and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. > > >>> > > >>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. > > >>> > > >>> Kind regards > > >>> > > >>> Andrew de la Haye > > >>> Chief Operations Officer > > >>> RIPE NCC > > >>> > > >>> Singel 258 > > >>> 1016 AB Amsterdam > > >>> the Netherlands > > >>> andrew at ripe.net > > >>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 > > >>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 > > >> > > > > > > > Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster > >: > > > > >> > > >> Dear William, > > >> > > >> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior > > >> Management. > > >> > > >> They will come back to you ASAP. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Andrea Cima > > >> > > >> RIPE NCC > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: > > >>> Dear Andrea, > > >>> > > >>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? > > >>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase > > of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world > > dictators state all the time about bribery... > > >>> > > >>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members > > add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove > > lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - > > Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the > > accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. > > >>> > > >>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest > > allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to > > an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough > > 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you > > think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE > > mailing list to ALL members. > > >>> > > >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > > >>> William Weber > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> EDIS GmbH > > >>> NOC > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster < > > hostmaster at ripe.net>: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear William, > > >>>> > > >>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that > > >>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by > > >>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the > > >>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then > > >>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same > > >>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a > > >>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take > > >>>> lightly. > > >>>> > > >>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which > > >>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 > > >>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: > > >>>> > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html > > >>>> > > >>>> Kind regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> Andrea Cima > > >>>> Registration Services Manager > > >>>> RIPE NCC > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: > > >>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., > > li., plus representing and ) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used > > false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the > > most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified > > with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the > > usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. > > >>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for > > example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from > > AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. > > >>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very > > questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the > > last /8? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the > > last /8? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > > >>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the > > last /8? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > > >>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > > >>>>> William Weber > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> EDIS GmbH > > >>>>> NOC > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > general page: > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > -- > Andrei Kushnireuski > Alfa Telecom s.r.o. > REGID: cz.alfatelecom > nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE > phone: +420226020360 -- Alexandr Gurbo From jj at streamnetworks.lv Fri Nov 22 10:55:39 2013 From: jj at streamnetworks.lv (=?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlzIEphdW5vxaHEgW5z?=) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:55:39 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> Message-ID: <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> Dude, as-block: AS35840 - AS36863 descr: ARIN ASN block why RIPE would have to audit ARIN block? I'm not saying that Lu is bad, but I don't like the idea that everybody goes: hey, he has been on meetings, hands off. when you see some psycho on TV who has been working in public and their neighbors will tell you, - he was a good guy, but in the end, he ate children :D The fact that he has so much resources and visits meetings can be a good and a bad thing, he knows the system inside out. Might be that he likes IT, might be that he's abusing it. I'm not going to bash my head against the keyboard to prove something, RIPE got this. :) On 22/11/13 08:49, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: > Hello all, > > When was last audit for AS35916? > Such allocations are similar to fraud. > > May be Mr. Lu open and active person, and active present at the meetings, but.... > > RIPE NCC stuff, to clarify incident please start audit for AS35916 and announce results to us. > Don't provide to us private information about business client. Provide information on the allocated blocks. They are used for their intended purpose or not. > > > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100 > Andrei wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it >> was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I >> couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org. >> >> Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject >> abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges >> with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this >> assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'. >> >> For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov wrote: >> >>> Dear William, >>> this is a good investigation. >>> >>> Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, >>> sergey myasoedov >>> >>> >>> You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: >>> >>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to >>> reply to me i >>>> make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i >>> don't care what >>>> you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps >>> to get others involved. >>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>> ignored. >>> >>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, >>> no replies and >>>> the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was >>> again useless and >>>> without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form >>> to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>> >>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent >>> my mail to RIPE >>>> after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few >>> calls to some >>>> associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own >>> picture. >>> >>>> -- >>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in >>> the Netherlands >>>> which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling >>> to a /8: >>> >>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as >>> far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>> >>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs >>> AS now most >>>> space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet >>> massive >>>> amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or >>> his companies at all RIRs: >>> >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus >>> (Seychelles) >>>> Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to >>> OutsideHeaven. >>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of >>> "CloudInnovation >>>> infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are >>> not announced at all and seem unused. >>> >>> >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the >>> RIPE region. >>>> Seems unused. >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>> allocated, exactly the >>>> timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), >>> announced on OVH. >>> >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced >>> by OVH on France, unused as well. >>> >>> >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>> >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | >>> http://as57169.net >>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>> >>> >>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>> >>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>> >>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys >>> buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this >>> mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't >>> unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the >>> same... >>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>> >>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from >>> you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 >>> in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of >>> the largest total >>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>> >>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles >>> while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never >>> contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream >>> provider? >>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>> William Weber >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>> NOC >>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>> Austria >>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>> >>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>> >>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is >>> solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may >>> contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the >>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>> distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>> >>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>> >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been >>> escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration >>> Services Department. >>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we >>> implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, >>> neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at >>> meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our >>> website. You can find the complete description at: >>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a >>> first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due >>> diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. >>> Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously >>> evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy >>> compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by >>> two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely >>> and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>> >>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>> : >>>>> Dear William, >>>>> >>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>> Management. >>>>> >>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>> >>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase >>> of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world >>> dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members >>> add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove >>> lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - >>> Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the >>> accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to >>> an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough >>> 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you >>> think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE >>> mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster < >>> hostmaster at ripe.net>: >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>> >>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., >>> li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used >>> false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the >>> most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified >>> with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for >>> example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from >>> AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very >>> questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the >>> last /8? >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the >>> last /8? >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the >>> last /8? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> >> -- >> Andrei Kushnireuski >> Alfa Telecom s.r.o. >> REGID: cz.alfatelecom >> nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE >> phone: +420226020360 > -- T?lrunis: +371 67788888 From ipas.master at gmail.com Fri Nov 22 11:21:04 2013 From: ipas.master at gmail.com (Andrei Kushnireuski) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:21:04 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> Message-ID: <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> RIPE NCC doesn't audit ASNs but LIRs =) Looks like this is misunderstanding/misspelling from Alexandr's side. AS35916 is assigned by ARIN and it is used by US based webhosting/colocation provider from Los Angeles. If I understand correctly the initial issue is a usage of huge amount of IPv4 outside RIPE Region and It's a reason for audit. On 22 Nov 2013, at 10:55, J?nis Jauno??ns wrote: > Dude, > as-block: AS35840 - AS36863 > descr: ARIN ASN block > > why RIPE would have to audit ARIN block? > > I'm not saying that Lu is bad, but I don't like the idea that everybody > goes: hey, he has been on meetings, hands off. > when you see some psycho on TV who has been working in public and their > neighbors will tell you, - he was a good guy, but in the end, he ate > children :D > > The fact that he has so much resources and visits meetings can be a good > and a bad thing, he knows the system inside out. > Might be that he likes IT, might be that he's abusing it. > I'm not going to bash my head against the keyboard to prove something, > RIPE got this. :) > > > On 22/11/13 08:49, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> When was last audit for AS35916? >> Such allocations are similar to fraud. >> >> May be Mr. Lu open and active person, and active present at the meetings, but.... >> >> RIPE NCC stuff, to clarify incident please start audit for AS35916 and announce results to us. >> Don't provide to us private information about business client. Provide information on the allocated blocks. They are used for their intended purpose or not. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100 >> Andrei wrote: >> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it >>> was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I >>> couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org. >>> >>> Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject >>> abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges >>> with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this >>> assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'. >>> >>> For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov wrote: >>> >>>> Dear William, >>>> this is a good investigation. >>>> >>>> Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind regards, >>>> sergey myasoedov >>>> >>>> >>>> You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: >>>> >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to >>>> reply to me i >>>>> make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i >>>> don't care what >>>>> you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps >>>> to get others involved. >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>>> ignored. >>>> >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, >>>> no replies and >>>>> the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was >>>> again useless and >>>>> without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form >>>> to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>> >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent >>>> my mail to RIPE >>>>> after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few >>>> calls to some >>>>> associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own >>>> picture. >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in >>>> the Netherlands >>>>> which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling >>>> to a /8: >>>> >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as >>>> far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>> >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs >>>> AS now most >>>>> space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet >>>> massive >>>>> amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or >>>> his companies at all RIRs: >>>> >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus >>>> (Seychelles) >>>>> Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to >>>> OutsideHeaven. >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of >>>> "CloudInnovation >>>>> infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are >>>> not announced at all and seem unused. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the >>>> RIPE region. >>>>> Seems unused. >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>> allocated, exactly the >>>>> timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), >>>> announced on OVH. >>>> >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced >>>> by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>> >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | >>>> http://as57169.net >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys >>>> buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this >>>> mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't >>>> unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the >>>> same... >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from >>>> you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 >>>> in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of >>>> the largest total >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>> >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles >>>> while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never >>>> contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream >>>> provider? >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>> William Weber >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>> NOC >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>> Austria >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>> >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is >>>> solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may >>>> contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the >>>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>>> distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly >>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been >>>> escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration >>>> Services Department. >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we >>>> implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, >>>> neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at >>>> meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our >>>> website. You can find the complete description at: >>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a >>>> first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due >>>> diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. >>>> Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously >>>> evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy >>>> compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by >>>> two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely >>>> and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>> >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>> : >>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>> Management. >>>>>> >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>> >>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase >>>> of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world >>>> dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members >>>> add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove >>>> lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - >>>> Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the >>>> accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to >>>> an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough >>>> 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you >>>> think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE >>>> mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster < >>>> hostmaster at ripe.net>: >>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., >>>> li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used >>>> false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the >>>> most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified >>>> with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for >>>> example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from >>>> AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very >>>> questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the >>>> last /8? >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the >>>> last /8? >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the >>>> last /8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>> general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andrei Kushnireuski >>> Alfa Telecom s.r.o. >>> REGID: cz.alfatelecom >>> nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE >>> phone: +420226020360 >> > > -- > T?lrunis: +371 67788888 > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. - Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom From a.gurbo at severen.net Fri Nov 22 12:49:06 2013 From: a.gurbo at severen.net (Alexandr Gurbo) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:49:06 +0400 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> Hello all, Yes, the right to speak - start audit for LIR(s). LIR who received blocks from RIPE NCC and allow announce in ARIN region from AS35916. Andrei, thanks for correcting. Is this all allocated blocks in use? Why they announced in ARIN region? Maybe Mr. Lu explain and we will not have more question. We are live in the region served by RIPE NCC. This is our resources that given to other regions. What allocations led to the exhaustion of resources in our region. As a result, we can't get more ip address. I think this isn't normal. On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:21:04 +0100 Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: > RIPE NCC doesn't audit ASNs but LIRs =) > > Looks like this is misunderstanding/misspelling from Alexandr's side. > > AS35916 is assigned by ARIN and it is used by US based webhosting/colocation provider from Los Angeles. > > If I understand correctly the initial issue is a usage of huge amount of IPv4 outside RIPE Region and It's a reason for audit. > > > On 22 Nov 2013, at 10:55, J?nis Jauno??ns wrote: > > > Dude, > > as-block: AS35840 - AS36863 > > descr: ARIN ASN block > > > > why RIPE would have to audit ARIN block? > > > > I'm not saying that Lu is bad, but I don't like the idea that everybody > > goes: hey, he has been on meetings, hands off. > > when you see some psycho on TV who has been working in public and their > > neighbors will tell you, - he was a good guy, but in the end, he ate > > children :D > > > > The fact that he has so much resources and visits meetings can be a good > > and a bad thing, he knows the system inside out. > > Might be that he likes IT, might be that he's abusing it. > > I'm not going to bash my head against the keyboard to prove something, > > RIPE got this. :) > > > > > > On 22/11/13 08:49, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> When was last audit for AS35916? > >> Such allocations are similar to fraud. > >> > >> May be Mr. Lu open and active person, and active present at the meetings, but.... > >> > >> RIPE NCC stuff, to clarify incident please start audit for AS35916 and announce results to us. > >> Don't provide to us private information about business client. Provide information on the allocated blocks. They are used for their intended purpose or not. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100 > >> Andrei wrote: > >> > >>> Dear colleagues, > >>> > >>> I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it > >>> was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I > >>> couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject > >>> abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges > >>> with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this > >>> assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'. > >>> > >>> For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear William, > >>>> this is a good investigation. > >>>> > >>>> Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Kind regards, > >>>> sergey myasoedov > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: > >>>> > >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to > >>>> reply to me i > >>>>> make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i > >>>> don't care what > >>>>> you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps > >>>> to get others involved. > >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was > >>>> ignored. > >>>> > >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, > >>>> no replies and > >>>>> the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was > >>>> again useless and > >>>>> without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form > >>>> to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) > >>>> > >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent > >>>> my mail to RIPE > >>>>> after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few > >>>> calls to some > >>>>> associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? > >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own > >>>> picture. > >>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in > >>>> the Netherlands > >>>>> which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling > >>>> to a /8: > >>>> > >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - > >>>> http://outsideheaven.com > >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as > >>>> far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. > >>>> > >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs > >>>> AS now most > >>>>> space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). > >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet > >>>> massive > >>>>> amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or > >>>> his companies at all RIRs: > >>>> > >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus > >>>> (Seychelles) > >>>>> Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to > >>>> OutsideHeaven. > >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of > >>>> "CloudInnovation > >>>>> infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT?.), most IPs are > >>>> not announced at all and seem unused. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the > >>>> RIPE region. > >>>>> Seems unused. > >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was > >>>> allocated, exactly the > >>>>> timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one?), > >>>> announced on OVH. > >>>> > >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced > >>>> by OVH on France, unused as well. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. > >>>> > >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. > >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): > >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 > >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 > >>>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) > >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | > >>>> http://as57169.net > >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: > >>>>>> Von: William Weber > >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR > >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ > >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Andrew, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys > >>>> buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this > >>>> mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't > >>>> unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the > >>>> same... > >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from > >>>> you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 > >>>> in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of > >>>> the largest total > >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles > >>>> while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? > >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never > >>>> contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? > >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream > >>>> provider? > >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > >>>>>> William Weber > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> EDIS GmbH > >>>>>> NOC > >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 > >>>>>> 8010 Graz > >>>>>> Austria > >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 > >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t > >>>>>> > >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 > >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 > >>>>>> http://www.edis.at > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is > >>>> solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may > >>>> contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the > >>>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > >>>> distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly > >>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify > >>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear William, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been > >>>> escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration > >>>> Services Department. > >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we > >>>> implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, > >>>> neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. > >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at > >>>> meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our > >>>> website. You can find the complete description at: > >>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf > >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a > >>>> first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due > >>>> diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. > >>>> Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously > >>>> evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy > >>>> compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by > >>>> two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. > >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely > >>>> and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. > >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kind regards > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye > >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer > >>>>>>> RIPE NCC > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Singel 258 > >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam > >>>>>>> the Netherlands > >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net > >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 > >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 > >>>> > >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>> : > >>>>>> Dear William, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior > >>>>>> Management. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>> Andrea Cima > >>>>>> > >>>>>> RIPE NCC > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: > >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? > >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase > >>>> of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world > >>>> dictators state all the time about bribery... > >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members > >>>> add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove > >>>> lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - > >>>> Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the > >>>> accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. > >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest > >>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to > >>>> an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough > >>>> 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you > >>>> think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE > >>>> mailing list to ALL members. > >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > >>>>>>> William Weber > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH > >>>>>>> NOC > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster < > >>>> hostmaster at ripe.net>: > >>>>>>>> Dear William, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that > >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by > >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the > >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then > >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same > >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a > >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take > >>>>>>>> lightly. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which > >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 > >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: > >>>>>>>> > >>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html > >>>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima > >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager > >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: > >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., > >>>> li., plus representing and ) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used > >>>> false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the > >>>> most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified > >>>> with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the > >>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. > >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for > >>>> example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from > >>>> AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. > >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very > >>>> questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. > >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the > >>>> last /8? > >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the > >>>> last /8? > >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the > >>>> last /8? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > >>>>>>>>> William Weber > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH > >>>>>>>>> NOC > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---- > >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > >>>> general page: > >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > >>>> > >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > >>>> here, you can add or remove addresses. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Andrei Kushnireuski > >>> Alfa Telecom s.r.o. > >>> REGID: cz.alfatelecom > >>> nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE > >>> phone: +420226020360 > >> > > > > -- > > T?lrunis: +371 67788888 > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > - > Andrei Kushnireuski > AK1065-RIPE > regID: cz.alfatelecom > > > > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- Alexandr Gurbo From s.lockhart at cablecomnetworking.co.uk Fri Nov 22 13:26:55 2013 From: s.lockhart at cablecomnetworking.co.uk (Simon Lockhart) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:26:55 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> Message-ID: <20131122122655.GV13137@cablecomnetworking.co.uk> Really, this needs to move off-list. There is clearly a personal vendetta here, and it's getting tiresome for the rest of us. Even if IPs are reclaimed from an LIR as a result of an audit, what difference is it going to make? It's not as if RIPE will start allocating from them again... If you believe there's fraud being carried out, report it to the law enforcement agencies - nothing said on this list can fix it. IPv4 is over. Move on. Focus on deploying IPv6. Simon On Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:49:06AM +0000, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: > Hello all, > > Yes, the right to speak - start audit for LIR(s). LIR who received blocks from RIPE NCC and allow announce in ARIN region from AS35916. Andrei, thanks for correcting. > > Is this all allocated blocks in use? Why they announced in ARIN region? > Maybe Mr. Lu explain and we will not have more question. > > We are live in the region served by RIPE NCC. This is our resources that given to other regions. > What allocations led to the exhaustion of resources in our region. As a result, we can't get more ip address. I think this isn't normal. > > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:21:04 +0100 > Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: > > > RIPE NCC doesn't audit ASNs but LIRs =) > > > > Looks like this is misunderstanding/misspelling from Alexandr's side. > > > > AS35916 is assigned by ARIN and it is used by US based webhosting/colocation provider from Los Angeles. > > > > If I understand correctly the initial issue is a usage of huge amount of IPv4 outside RIPE Region and It's a reason for audit. > > > > > > On 22 Nov 2013, at 10:55, J??nis Jauno????ns wrote: > > > > > Dude, > > > as-block: AS35840 - AS36863 > > > descr: ARIN ASN block > > > > > > why RIPE would have to audit ARIN block? > > > > > > I'm not saying that Lu is bad, but I don't like the idea that everybody > > > goes: hey, he has been on meetings, hands off. > > > when you see some psycho on TV who has been working in public and their > > > neighbors will tell you, - he was a good guy, but in the end, he ate > > > children :D > > > > > > The fact that he has so much resources and visits meetings can be a good > > > and a bad thing, he knows the system inside out. > > > Might be that he likes IT, might be that he's abusing it. > > > I'm not going to bash my head against the keyboard to prove something, > > > RIPE got this. :) > > > > > > > > > On 22/11/13 08:49, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> When was last audit for AS35916? > > >> Such allocations are similar to fraud. > > >> > > >> May be Mr. Lu open and active person, and active present at the meetings, but.... > > >> > > >> RIPE NCC stuff, to clarify incident please start audit for AS35916 and announce results to us. > > >> Don't provide to us private information about business client. Provide information on the allocated blocks. They are used for their intended purpose or not. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100 > > >> Andrei wrote: > > >> > > >>> Dear colleagues, > > >>> > > >>> I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it > > >>> was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I > > >>> couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org. > > >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject > > >>> abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges > > >>> with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this > > >>> assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'. > > >>> > > >>> For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Dear William, > > >>>> this is a good investigation. > > >>>> > > >>>> Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Kind regards, > > >>>> sergey myasoedov > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: > > >>>> > > >>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to > > >>>> reply to me i > > >>>>> make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i > > >>>> don't care what > > >>>>> you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps > > >>>> to get others involved. > > >>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was > > >>>> ignored. > > >>>> > > >>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, > > >>>> no replies and > > >>>>> the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was > > >>>> again useless and > > >>>>> without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form > > >>>> to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) > > >>>> > > >>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent > > >>>> my mail to RIPE > > >>>>> after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few > > >>>> calls to some > > >>>>> associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? > > >>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own > > >>>> picture. > > >>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in > > >>>> the Netherlands > > >>>>> which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling > > >>>> to a /8: > > >>>> > > >>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - > > >>>> http://outsideheaven.com > > >>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as > > >>>> far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. > > >>>> > > >>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs > > >>>> AS now most > > >>>>> space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). > > >>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet > > >>>> massive > > >>>>> amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or > > >>>> his companies at all RIRs: > > >>>> > > >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > > >>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus > > >>>> (Seychelles) > > >>>>> Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to > > >>>> OutsideHeaven. > > >>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of > > >>>> "CloudInnovation > > >>>>> infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT???.), most IPs are > > >>>> not announced at all and seem unused. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > >>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the > > >>>> RIPE region. > > >>>>> Seems unused. > > >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > >>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was > > >>>> allocated, exactly the > > >>>>> timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one???), > > >>>> announced on OVH. > > >>>> > > >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs > > >>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced > > >>>> by OVH on France, unused as well. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > >>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. > > >>>> > > >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs > > >>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. > > >>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): > > >>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs > > >>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > > >>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > > >>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > > >>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > > >>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > > >>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 > > >>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 > > >>>>> -- > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) > > >>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | > > >>>> http://as57169.net > > >>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC > > >>>>> Maribor, Slovenia > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: > > >>>>>> Von: William Weber > > >>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR > > >>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ > > >>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Andrew, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys > > >>>> buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this > > >>>> mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't > > >>>> unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the > > >>>> same... > > >>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from > > >>>> you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 > > >>>> in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of > > >>>> the largest total > > >>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles > > >>>> while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? > > >>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never > > >>>> contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? > > >>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream > > >>>> provider? > > >>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > > >>>>>> William Weber > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> EDIS GmbH > > >>>>>> NOC > > >>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 > > >>>>>> 8010 Graz > > >>>>>> Austria > > >>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 > > >>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 > > >>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 > > >>>>>> http://www.edis.at > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is > > >>>> solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may > > >>>> contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the > > >>>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > > >>>> distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly > > >>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify > > >>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear William, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been > > >>>> escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration > > >>>> Services Department. > > >>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we > > >>>> implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, > > >>>> neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. > > >>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at > > >>>> meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our > > >>>> website. You can find the complete description at: > > >>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf > > >>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a > > >>>> first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due > > >>>> diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. > > >>>> Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously > > >>>> evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy > > >>>> compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by > > >>>> two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. > > >>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely > > >>>> and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. > > >>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Kind regards > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye > > >>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer > > >>>>>>> RIPE NCC > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Singel 258 > > >>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam > > >>>>>>> the Netherlands > > >>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net > > >>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 > > >>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 > > >>>> > > >>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster > >>>>> : > > >>>>>> Dear William, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior > > >>>>>> Management. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Best regards, > > >>>>>> Andrea Cima > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> RIPE NCC > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: > > >>>>>>> Dear Andrea, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? > > >>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase > > >>>> of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world > > >>>> dictators state all the time about bribery... > > >>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members > > >>>> add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove > > >>>> lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - > > >>>> Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the > > >>>> accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. > > >>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest > > >>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to > > >>>> an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough > > >>>> 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you > > >>>> think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE > > >>>> mailing list to ALL members. > > >>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > > >>>>>>> William Weber > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> EDIS GmbH > > >>>>>>> NOC > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster < > > >>>> hostmaster at ripe.net>: > > >>>>>>>> Dear William, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that > > >>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by > > >>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the > > >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then > > >>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same > > >>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a > > >>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take > > >>>>>>>> lightly. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which > > >>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 > > >>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html > > >>>>>>>> Kind regards, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Andrea Cima > > >>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager > > >>>>>>>> RIPE NCC > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., > > >>>> li., plus representing and ) > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used > > >>>> false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the > > >>>> most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified > > >>>> with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the > > >>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. > > >>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for > > >>>> example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from > > >>>> AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. > > >>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very > > >>>> questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. > > >>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 > > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the > > >>>> last /8? > > >>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the > > >>>> last /8? > > >>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > > >>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the > > >>>> last /8? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > > >>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, > > >>>>>>>>> William Weber > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH > > >>>>>>>>> NOC > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ---- > > >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > >>>> general page: > > >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > >>>> > > >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > >>>> here, you can add or remove addresses. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Andrei Kushnireuski > > >>> Alfa Telecom s.r.o. > > >>> REGID: cz.alfatelecom > > >>> nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE > > >>> phone: +420226020360 > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > T??lrunis: +371 67788888 > > > > > > ---- > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > - > > Andrei Kushnireuski > > AK1065-RIPE > > regID: cz.alfatelecom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > -- > Alexandr Gurbo > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 1275 793 400 | Si fractum Technical Director | Mob: +44 7789 913304 | non sit, noli Cablecom Networking Ltd | WWW: www.cablecomnetworking.co.uk | id reficere Unit 3-5 Windmill Business Park, Windmill Road, Kenn. BS21 6SR. UK From lists-ripe at c4inet.net Fri Nov 22 13:32:02 2013 From: lists-ripe at c4inet.net (Sascha Luck) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:32:02 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> Message-ID: <20131122123202.GA76361@cilantro.c4inet.net> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:49:06PM +0400, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: >We are live in the region served by RIPE NCC. This is our resources >that given to other regions. What allocations led to the exhaustion of >resources in our region. As a result, we can't get more ip address. I >think this isn't normal. 1) It's called ther *Inter*net. Not RIPEnet, ARINnet, APNICnet, AfriNICnet or LACNICnet. There are many reasons for advertising space outside the region where one's HQ is. 2) As some Norwegian once told me: "When the cribbage is empty, the horses bite each other" sncr, Sascha Luck From thomas.mangin at exa-networks.co.uk Fri Nov 22 13:29:46 2013 From: thomas.mangin at exa-networks.co.uk (Thomas Mangin) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:29:46 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131122122655.GV13137@cablecomnetworking.co.uk> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> <20131122122655.GV13137@cablecomnetworking.co.uk> Message-ID: <47EE5E00-EE4E-44D5-9DC6-760A58E2C782@exa-networks.co.uk> +1 And please do not reply to his RHETORICAL questions. Thomas On 22 Nov 2013, at 12:26, Simon Lockhart wrote: > Really, this needs to move off-list. There is clearly a personal vendetta > here, and it's getting tiresome for the rest of us. > > Even if IPs are reclaimed from an LIR as a result of an audit, what difference > is it going to make? It's not as if RIPE will start allocating from them > again... > > If you believe there's fraud being carried out, report it to the law > enforcement agencies - nothing said on this list can fix it. > > IPv4 is over. Move on. Focus on deploying IPv6. > > Simon > > On Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:49:06AM +0000, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Yes, the right to speak - start audit for LIR(s). LIR who received blocks from RIPE NCC and allow announce in ARIN region from AS35916. Andrei, thanks for correcting. >> >> Is this all allocated blocks in use? Why they announced in ARIN region? >> Maybe Mr. Lu explain and we will not have more question. >> >> We are live in the region served by RIPE NCC. This is our resources that given to other regions. >> What allocations led to the exhaustion of resources in our region. As a result, we can't get more ip address. I think this isn't normal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:21:04 +0100 >> Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: >> >>> RIPE NCC doesn't audit ASNs but LIRs =) >>> >>> Looks like this is misunderstanding/misspelling from Alexandr's side. >>> >>> AS35916 is assigned by ARIN and it is used by US based webhosting/colocation provider from Los Angeles. >>> >>> If I understand correctly the initial issue is a usage of huge amount of IPv4 outside RIPE Region and It's a reason for audit. >>> >>> >>> On 22 Nov 2013, at 10:55, J??nis Jauno????ns wrote: >>> >>>> Dude, >>>> as-block: AS35840 - AS36863 >>>> descr: ARIN ASN block >>>> >>>> why RIPE would have to audit ARIN block? >>>> >>>> I'm not saying that Lu is bad, but I don't like the idea that everybody >>>> goes: hey, he has been on meetings, hands off. >>>> when you see some psycho on TV who has been working in public and their >>>> neighbors will tell you, - he was a good guy, but in the end, he ate >>>> children :D >>>> >>>> The fact that he has so much resources and visits meetings can be a good >>>> and a bad thing, he knows the system inside out. >>>> Might be that he likes IT, might be that he's abusing it. >>>> I'm not going to bash my head against the keyboard to prove something, >>>> RIPE got this. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22/11/13 08:49, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> When was last audit for AS35916? >>>>> Such allocations are similar to fraud. >>>>> >>>>> May be Mr. Lu open and active person, and active present at the meetings, but.... >>>>> >>>>> RIPE NCC stuff, to clarify incident please start audit for AS35916 and announce results to us. >>>>> Don't provide to us private information about business client. Provide information on the allocated blocks. They are used for their intended purpose or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100 >>>>> Andrei wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear colleagues, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it >>>>>> was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I >>>>>> couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject >>>>>> abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges >>>>>> with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this >>>>>> assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'. >>>>>> >>>>>> For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>> this is a good investigation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> sergey myasoedov >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to >>>>>>> reply to me i >>>>>>>> make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i >>>>>>> don't care what >>>>>>>> you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps >>>>>>> to get others involved. >>>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was >>>>>>> ignored. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails, >>>>>>> no replies and >>>>>>>> the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was >>>>>>> again useless and >>>>>>>> without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form >>>>>>> to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent >>>>>>> my mail to RIPE >>>>>>>> after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few >>>>>>> calls to some >>>>>>>> associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation? >>>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own >>>>>>> picture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in >>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>> which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling >>>>>>> to a /8: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" - >>>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com >>>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as >>>>>>> far as informations go) not live in Europe at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs >>>>>>> AS now most >>>>>>>> space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916). >>>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet >>>>>>> massive >>>>>>>> amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or >>>>>>> his companies at all RIRs: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus >>>>>>> (Seychelles) >>>>>>>> Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to >>>>>>> OutsideHeaven. >>>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of >>>>>>> "CloudInnovation >>>>>>>> infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT???.), most IPs are >>>>>>> not announced at all and seem unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the >>>>>>> RIPE region. >>>>>>>> Seems unused. >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was >>>>>>> allocated, exactly the >>>>>>>> timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one???), >>>>>>> announced on OVH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs >>>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced >>>>>>> by OVH on France, unused as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs >>>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom. >>>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him): >>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs >>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >>>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others) >>>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at | >>>>>>> http://as57169.net >>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC >>>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >>>>>>>>> Von: William Weber >>>>>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR >>>>>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ >>>>>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Andrew, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys >>>>>>> buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this >>>>>>> mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't >>>>>>> unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the >>>>>>> same... >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from >>>>>>> you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 >>>>>>> in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of >>>>>>> the largest total >>>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles >>>>>>> while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN? >>>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never >>>>>>> contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc? >>>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream >>>>>>> provider? >>>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>> Hauptplatz 3/3 >>>>>>>>> 8010 Graz >>>>>>>>> Austria >>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID: ATU 64124511 >>>>>>>>> Firmenbuch: FN 308697t >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> phone: +43 316 827 500 >>>>>>>>> fax: +43 316 827 500 777 >>>>>>>>> http://www.edis.at >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This message was sent by EDIS GmbH, it is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL and is >>>>>>> solely for the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may >>>>>>> contain PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information. If you are not the >>>>>>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>>>>>> distribution or copying of this communication and its contents is strictly >>>>>>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify >>>>>>> us at support at edis.at and delete it from your computer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been >>>>>>> escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration >>>>>>> Services Department. >>>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we >>>>>>> implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, >>>>>>> neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out. >>>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at >>>>>>> meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our >>>>>>> website. You can find the complete description at: >>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf >>>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a >>>>>>> first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due >>>>>>> diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. >>>>>>> Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously >>>>>>> evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy >>>>>>> compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by >>>>>>> two RIPE NCC Senior Managers. >>>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely >>>>>>> and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified. >>>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye >>>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer >>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Singel 258 >>>>>>>>>> 1016 AB Amsterdam >>>>>>>>>> the Netherlands >>>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net >>>>>>>>>> tel: +31 20 535 4444 >>>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster >>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior >>>>>>>>> Management. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all? >>>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase >>>>>>> of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world >>>>>>> dictators state all the time about bribery... >>>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members >>>>>>> add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove >>>>>>> lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - >>>>>>> Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the >>>>>>> accuser with access to a system to verify it himself. >>>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest >>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to >>>>>>> an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough >>>>>>> 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you >>>>>>> think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE >>>>>>> mailing list to ALL members. >>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster < >>>>>>> hostmaster at ripe.net>: >>>>>>>>>>> Dear William, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that >>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by >>>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then >>>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same >>>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a >>>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take >>>>>>>>>>> lightly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which >>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14 >>>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html >>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager >>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at., li., >>>>>>> li., plus representing and ) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used >>>>>>> false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the >>>>>>> most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified >>>>>>> with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the >>>>>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space. >>>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for >>>>>>> example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from >>>>>>> AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely. >>>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very >>>>>>> questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision. >>>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the >>>>>>> last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the >>>>>>> last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the >>>>>>> last /8? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>> NOC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>>>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>>>>> general page: >>>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>>>>>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Andrei Kushnireuski >>>>>> Alfa Telecom s.r.o. >>>>>> REGID: cz.alfatelecom >>>>>> nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE >>>>>> phone: +420226020360 >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> T??lrunis: +371 67788888 >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> - >>> Andrei Kushnireuski >>> AK1065-RIPE >>> regID: cz.alfatelecom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> -- >> Alexandr Gurbo >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > -- > Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 1275 793 400 | Si fractum > Technical Director | Mob: +44 7789 913304 | non sit, noli > Cablecom Networking Ltd | WWW: www.cablecomnetworking.co.uk | id reficere > Unit 3-5 Windmill Business Park, Windmill Road, Kenn. BS21 6SR. UK > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 203 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From a.gurbo at severen.net Fri Nov 22 13:47:20 2013 From: a.gurbo at severen.net (Alexandr Gurbo) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:47:20 +0400 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131122123202.GA76361@cilantro.c4inet.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> <20131122123202.GA76361@cilantro.c4inet.net> Message-ID: <20131122164720.8605df8d.a.gurbo@severen.net> Sascha Luck, You are really believe, that so large ip addresses Mr Lu used in so small period of time??? Wake up! This is only large blocks as said topic starter. 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 Try it for yourself to explore for example block 5.224.0.0/15. Traces, announces, netnames, etc,... I see only country code changed in different subnets from this block: GB, SE, SG, ... It looks like the resources in reserve. On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:32:02 +0000 Sascha Luck wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:49:06PM +0400, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: > >We are live in the region served by RIPE NCC. This is our resources > >that given to other regions. What allocations led to the exhaustion of > >resources in our region. As a result, we can't get more ip address. I > >think this isn't normal. > > 1) It's called ther *Inter*net. Not RIPEnet, ARINnet, APNICnet, > AfriNICnet or LACNICnet. There are many reasons for advertising space > outside the region where one's HQ is. > > 2) As some Norwegian once told me: "When the cribbage is empty, the > horses bite each other" > > sncr, > Sascha Luck > -- Alexandr Gurbo From noc at solido.net Fri Nov 22 14:39:41 2013 From: noc at solido.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Kramsh=F8j_Solido_NOC_abuse?=) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:39:41 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131122164720.8605df8d.a.gurbo@severen.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> <20131122123202.GA76361@cilantro.c4inet.net> <20131122164720.8605df8d.a.gurbo@severen.net> Message-ID: <829C8E96-026B-4946-B60B-97340E16EF0B@solido.net> On 22/11/2013, at 13.47, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: > Sascha Luck, > > You are really believe, that so large ip addresses Mr Lu used in so small period of time??? Wake up! > > This is only large blocks as said topic starter. > 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 > 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 > 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 > 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 > 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 > > Try it for yourself to explore for example block 5.224.0.0/15. Traces, announces, netnames, etc,... > I see only country code changed in different subnets from this block: GB, SE, SG, ... It looks like the resources in reserve. I did a quick look using asused, and it seem there are whois records - they are very generic and by /24, and the sum is: Detail of allocation(s) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Range Database Allocation a s s i g n e d % No. free total ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31.201.0.0/16 31.201.0.0 - 31.201.255.255 0.0% 0 65536 65536 37.222.0.0/15 37.222.0.0 - 37.223.255.255 100.0% 131072 0 131072 46.136.0.0/16 46.136.0.0 - 46.136.255.255 100.0% 65536 0 65536 5.132.0.0/16 5.132.0.0 - 5.132.255.255 75.4% 49408 16128 65536 5.224.0.0/15 5.224.0.0 - 5.225.255.255 100.0% 131072 0 131072 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have no reason to believe currently that RIPE would treat Mr H.Lu any different from the rest, so I guess there is supporting evidence from the processing of those requests. I would like this matter to go back to RIPE, which due to this thread would be quite arrogant if NOT performing an audit. So perform an audit, and process this like any other reported ticket. I can confirm Mr H. Lu was at RIPE65 in Amsterdam, and we did talk a bit during the social and he is "available" for talking. Full-disclosure, I have not done business with him or know him more than this. and FWIW below are some show routes from our active core router. I gather: The networks ARE being announced on the internet, and I receive them from multiple providers such as AS1299 Telia, AS174 Cogent so if this is a fraudulent network it at least has ISP's providing connectivity. hlk at MX-CPH-01> show route 31.201.0.0/16 table i.inet.0 i.inet.0: 468863 destinations, 1373449 routes (467423 active, 15 holddown, 468196 hidden) + = Active Route, - = Last Active, * = Both 31.201.0.0/16 *[BGP/170] 2d 13:19:16, MED 912080, localpref 110 AS path: 174 35916 35916 I > to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 [BGP/170] 11w0d 05:18:54, localpref 110, from 94.126.183.247 AS path: 1299 3561 35916 I > to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 31.201.128.0/17 *[BGP/170] 2d 13:19:16, MED 912080, localpref 110 AS path: 174 35916 35916 I > to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 [BGP/170] 11w0d 05:18:54, localpref 110, from 94.126.183.247 AS path: 1299 3561 35916 I > to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 hlk at MX-CPH-01> show route 37.222.0.0/15 table i.inet.0 i.inet.0: 468848 destinations, 1373598 routes (467422 active, 1 holddown, 468190 hidden) + = Active Route, - = Last Active, * = Both 37.222.0.0/15 *[BGP/170] 11w0d 05:19:12, localpref 150, from 94.126.183.247 AS path: 1299 16276 I > to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 [BGP/170] 2d 13:19:35, MED 774040, localpref 110 AS path: 174 16276 I > to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 37.222.128.0/17 *[BGP/170] 2d 13:19:34, MED 912080, localpref 110 AS path: 174 35916 35916 I > to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 [BGP/170] 11w0d 05:19:12, localpref 110, from 94.126.183.247 AS path: 1299 3561 35916 I > to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 I did check the others, and you can perform your own investigations using RIPEstat? Best regards Henrik -- Henrik Lund Kramsh?j, Follower of the Great Way of Unix internet samurai cand.scient CISSP hlk at kramse.org hlk at solidonetworks.com +45 2026 6000 http://solidonetworks.com/ Network Security is a business enabler From ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com Fri Nov 22 15:00:16 2013 From: ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com (William Weber) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:00:16 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <20131122122655.GV13137@cablecomnetworking.co.uk> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> <20131122122655.GV13137@cablecomnetworking.co.uk> Message-ID: >> There is clearly a personal vendetta >> here, and it's getting tiresome for the rest of us. Tiresome in what way? The RIPE mailing list is always empty (the last discussion before was from 22nd October, the last one before that on 8th April according to my client) and even this has just a small number of replies considering the receivers. I actually find this discussion and replies very amusing, in special the very different opinions throughout the LIRs (yet in my count most sided with and not against me in most points). It gives me some insight in some LIRs (and data for comparisons based on opinion, LIR size and allocated space as well as service provided, this is absolutely great data for profiling and storage) and possible alliances or more networking for the future. (and before someone asks, metadata or knowledge usage to profile companies or persons and try to predict or analyze future/past is not illegal in any way and protected by the guaranteed business freedom in the EU) This is also not personal in any way, the LIR could be at.telekom or the German government for all i care (In fact, one EU government is the next on my list), it matters exactly zero if sigint and humint sources show up possible (or clear) misusage or violation of RIPE policies . >IPv4 is over. Move on. Focus on deploying IPv6. One of my companies uses *only* native IPv6 and a NAT64 (along with DNS64) gateway for IPv4 access which NATs currently 100 customers per external IPv4 which can be varied up to 2500 per IPv4 stable and without port limitations (unless v4 filesharing is used or large ranges of ports are allocated by the client). I think this is already a *very* good deployment. Please also don't think i don't have an eye on v6 - I already monitor larger than /29 v6 allocations given out by RIPE automatically (like some for years unused large /27s allocated to at.upc and nl.upc, ex. 2a04:2400::/27 (upc.ro)) and assignments in large allocations (larger than /48 and not sub-allocated, /32 and larger not sub-allocated) semi-manually. >> Even if IPs are reclaimed from an LIR as a result of an audit, what difference >> is it going to make? It's not as if RIPE will start allocating from them >> again... That can be changed - It just needs a redesign of the policy and votes for it, woho, democracy. > +1 And please do not reply to his RHETORICAL questions. > > Thomas I can reply to whatever i want with what i want at any point in time i want and so can anyone else that may wants - This is freed Europe, not Cuba. -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 22.11.2013 um 13:26 schrieb Simon Lockhart : > If you believe there's fraud being carried out, report it to the law > enforcement agencies - nothing said on this list can fix it. > > IPv4 is over. Move on. Focus on deploying IPv6. > > Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at ripe.net Fri Nov 22 15:45:27 2013 From: andrew at ripe.net (Andrew de la Haye) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:27 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [csstaff] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <829C8E96-026B-4946-B60B-97340E16EF0B@solido.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> <20131122123202.GA76361@cilantro.c4inet.net> <20131122164720.8605df8d.a.gurbo@severen.net> <829C8E96-026B-4946-B60B-97340E16EF0B@solido.net> Message-ID: <1CFF3779-3F4A-4B4D-8AE3-5EBA0910F6A3@ripe.net> Dear all, In response to the mails regarding complaints to the RIPE NCC about LIRs, I'd like to clarify the situation and explain our procedures. The RIPE NCC has a clear and documented procedure for auditing its members and for handling reports relating to violations of RIPE Policy and RIPE NCC procedures. This procedure was developed in close consultation with the RIPE community. We adhere to our official reporting procedure and use a standard report form, which makes it easy for the reporter to make a complaint and for the RIPE NCC to handle the report. Any subsequent actions must remain confidential and are solely between the RIPE NCC and the party subject to investigation. The results of any investigation are not made public to the reporting party or to the RIPE NCC membership as a whole. The reporting procedure, as well as a link to the report form, is available at: http://www.ripe.net/contact/reporting-procedure Finally, I would like to assure members that the RIPE NCC adheres strictly to RIPE Policy in all its actions. A related RIPE Policy Proposal 2013-01, "Openness About Policy Violations", was today withdrawn from the Policy Development Process (PDP) by the proposers. A link to proposal itself as well as the proposers' reason for withdrawal are available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2013-November/002528.html I hope this clarifies matters, but if you have further questions please don't hesitate to contact me. Regards, Andrew de la Haye Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC On Nov 22, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Henrik Kramsh?j Solido NOC abuse wrote: > > On 22/11/2013, at 13.47, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: > >> Sascha Luck, >> >> You are really believe, that so large ip addresses Mr Lu used in so small period of time??? Wake up! >> >> This is only large blocks as said topic starter. >> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09 >> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07 >> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04 >> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04 >> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11 >> >> Try it for yourself to explore for example block 5.224.0.0/15. Traces, announces, netnames, etc,... >> I see only country code changed in different subnets from this block: GB, SE, SG, ... It looks like the resources in reserve. > > I did a quick look using asused, and it seem there are whois records - they are very generic and by /24, and the sum is: > > Detail of allocation(s) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Range Database Allocation a s s i g n e d > % No. free total > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 31.201.0.0/16 31.201.0.0 - 31.201.255.255 0.0% 0 65536 65536 > 37.222.0.0/15 37.222.0.0 - 37.223.255.255 100.0% 131072 0 131072 > 46.136.0.0/16 46.136.0.0 - 46.136.255.255 100.0% 65536 0 65536 > 5.132.0.0/16 5.132.0.0 - 5.132.255.255 75.4% 49408 16128 65536 > 5.224.0.0/15 5.224.0.0 - 5.225.255.255 100.0% 131072 0 131072 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I have no reason to believe currently that RIPE would treat Mr H.Lu any different from the rest, so I guess there is supporting evidence from the processing of those requests. I would like this matter to go back to RIPE, which due to this thread would be quite arrogant if NOT performing an audit. So perform an audit, and process this like any other reported ticket. > > I can confirm Mr H. Lu was at RIPE65 in Amsterdam, and we did talk a bit during the social and he is "available" for talking. > Full-disclosure, I have not done business with him or know him more than this. > > and FWIW below are some show routes from our active core router. > > I gather: > The networks ARE being announced on the internet, and I receive them from multiple providers > such as AS1299 Telia, AS174 Cogent so if this is a fraudulent network it at least has ISP's providing connectivity. > > hlk at MX-CPH-01> show route 31.201.0.0/16 table i.inet.0 > > i.inet.0: 468863 destinations, 1373449 routes (467423 active, 15 holddown, 468196 hidden) > + = Active Route, - = Last Active, * = Both > > 31.201.0.0/16 *[BGP/170] 2d 13:19:16, MED 912080, localpref 110 > AS path: 174 35916 35916 I >> to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 > [BGP/170] 11w0d 05:18:54, localpref 110, from 94.126.183.247 > AS path: 1299 3561 35916 I >> to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 > 31.201.128.0/17 *[BGP/170] 2d 13:19:16, MED 912080, localpref 110 > AS path: 174 35916 35916 I >> to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 > [BGP/170] 11w0d 05:18:54, localpref 110, from 94.126.183.247 > AS path: 1299 3561 35916 I >> to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 > > hlk at MX-CPH-01> show route 37.222.0.0/15 table i.inet.0 > > i.inet.0: 468848 destinations, 1373598 routes (467422 active, 1 holddown, 468190 hidden) > + = Active Route, - = Last Active, * = Both > > 37.222.0.0/15 *[BGP/170] 11w0d 05:19:12, localpref 150, from 94.126.183.247 > AS path: 1299 16276 I >> to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 > [BGP/170] 2d 13:19:35, MED 774040, localpref 110 > AS path: 174 16276 I >> to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 > 37.222.128.0/17 *[BGP/170] 2d 13:19:34, MED 912080, localpref 110 > AS path: 174 35916 35916 I >> to 149.6.136.29 via xe-0/1/1.0 > [BGP/170] 11w0d 05:19:12, localpref 110, from 94.126.183.247 > AS path: 1299 3561 35916 I >> to 94.126.176.27 via ae2.35 > > I did check the others, and you can perform your own investigations using RIPEstat? > > > Best regards > > Henrik > > -- > Henrik Lund Kramsh?j, Follower of the Great Way of Unix > internet samurai cand.scient CISSP > hlk at kramse.org hlk at solidonetworks.com +45 2026 6000 > http://solidonetworks.com/ Network Security is a business enabler > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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URL: From sander at steffann.nl Fri Nov 22 15:55:04 2013 From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:55:04 +0300 Subject: [members-discuss] [csstaff] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC In-Reply-To: <1CFF3779-3F4A-4B4D-8AE3-5EBA0910F6A3@ripe.net> References: <84A651A5-AFED-491A-888C-B30EF108DBDB@edis.at> <7E62FA9E-37C6-43EC-B5E1-6498039D8AAD@edisglobal.com> <1963157369.20131121153614@net-art.cz> <20131122104908.51174e1f.a.gurbo@severen.net> <528F2A1B.4030102@streamnetworks.lv> <49E5E64E-7783-4810-B208-A558EE1C8333@gmail.com> <20131122154906.29706935.a.gurbo@severen.net> <20131122123202.GA76361@cilantro.c4inet.net> <20131122164720.8605df8d.a.gurbo@severen.net> <829C8E96-026B-4946-B60B-97340E16EF0B@solido.net> <1CFF3779-3F4A-4B4D-8AE3-5EBA0910F6A3@ripe.net> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, > Finally, I would like to assure members that the RIPE NCC adheres strictly to RIPE Policy in all its actions. A related RIPE Policy Proposal 2013-01, "Openness About Policy Violations", was today withdrawn from the Policy Development Process (PDP) by the proposers. A link to proposal itself as well as the proposers' reason for withdrawal are available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2013-November/002528.html It was interesting to see this discussion here, at the same time that that policy proposal was withdrawn because of lack of interest/support from the community. If people here now think publishing more data on abuse report handling is a good idea after all then they should submit a new policy proposal for that. They can re-use as much text from 2013-01 as they like. Cheers, Sander