[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region

also look at it from the other side:

keeping ipv4 around just to have your nodes connect to obsolete stuff run 
by incompetent other companies, costs the rest of the internet money too. 
lots of it. (Extra manhours maintaining configurations for ipv4 routing 
and ipv4 dns) while WE could perfectly do with just ipv6 only.

(just that then deutsche telecom goes hudini for our users, to name 
something ;)

google, facebook, etc have all figured it out by now :P people with ipv4 
are on the losing end :P (and yes, at some point, we'll just switch it 
off... and then those with ipv4 only are out of luck :P

not implementing ipv6 == deliberately running company into wall.

as for arguments to your cfo... what does 'filling out tax forms' bring 
the company... new customers? surely not... avoid it being raided by the 
cops and shut down? definately.... same way... ipv6 won't bring you new 
customers, but it is a requirement to stay around.

-- 
Greetings,

Sven Olaf Kamphuis,
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:

> Dear Erik,
>
> > I spoke with someone from Surfnet a while ago (they also have a /8 and a
> whole block of 16 bit ASN
>> pre-RIPE) and on they question if they would return space to RIPE, their
> answer was :
>  > <quote>Why prolong the inevitable, we have been doing v6 for 15 years
> already. Everyone should do
>> the same ...</end quote>
>> That reasoning is very true and I do agree with it.
>
> Yes, from technical point of view it is excelent answer and probably ideal way
> for internet. But when you goes to CFO and tell that you need new equipment -
> he will ask reason why you need additional investments? All works well. You
> can tell stories about IPv4 and IPv6... But from finance point of view it
> doesn't make any sense. Run IPv6 and what next? It will give you new
> customers? Or current cusomers will pay mode money? NOOOO! It is just extra
> expenses. It time when each company try to cut costs impossible to invest
> money in word "IPv6". But! If cost IPv4 will grow - then it will be very
> simple for companies to understund that chaeper will be migrate to IPv6. 
>   
>  > That is also why a charging scheme based on v4 is short lived and
> out-dated by the time it comes
>> into action. The first RIPE invoice based on it, will be when the resource
> pool is already in the final /8.
>> And that pool won't magically grow back above it ... 
>  > A charging scheme based on budget / nr of members is my prediction where
> things should go for the
>> above mentioned reasons, why based it on a resource or charge for a resource
> that is gone ... To have
>> this discussion again in one or two years ? Please spare me ... 
>
> But RIPE must support servers, software and etc which support IPv4. And all
> this expenses must pay LIRs? When IPv4 will finished and new LIRs will get
> only IPv6 - why they must pay a huge money for support IPv4 when they will
> provide only IPv6?
>  
>  --
> Alexey Ivanov
> LeaderTelecom Ltd.
>