[members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees

maybe it's time for ripe to send a letter by registered mail addressed 
-personally- to the chairman of the board of any big multinational company 
that it's time for them too to move onto ipv6 and set up a task-force to 
roll it out ASAP, as i'm under the impression that the dusty nerds at 
the noc did not make it clear enough to the management (years ago) that
this HAS to be done ASAP and will cost them a few million euros

somehow i think that in management terms "ipv6 is somethign they have read 
about in the news papers" but don't really see that its REQUIRED to stay 
in business very soon.

they will then hire all kinds of expensive consultants which will get them 
to upgrade their stuff, as large multinationals always do, but at least 
things will get moving.

there seems to be a lot of mis-communication about the "urgency" of the 
thing, if we end up with an internet where 1/3rd of it is ipv4 only, 1/3rd 
is dual stack and 1/3rd is ipv6 only, it's pretty much worthless.

(and the ipv4 only part is going to lose their business sooner rather than 
later ;)

no AAAA records for www.deutsche-bank.de and www.abnamro.nl

don't tell me they don't have the cash to buy a few new routers or hire 
a consultant tomorrow :P

etc.

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, hakan hn. nebioglu wrote:

> up to now..
> i have never spoken...
> i do now...!!!
> this guys are working at the edge..
> it must be hot on the side of the sun...
> ip addresses getting low.
> and nobody concieve ip 6...
> it is a hard world...or whatever..
>
> i WILL pay my price..
> and i advice u must do the same..
>
> thanks ripe.tahnks for everything......
> ps:i am 50 years old..pls stand stiil...and be thankfull....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Blessing" <jblessing at llnw.com>
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:32:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees
>
> On 14/12/2011 09:27, Manfred F. Schramm wrote:
>
>> You can tend to the opinion 'once claimed always claimed', no new monetary assessment.
>> You can also tend to the opinion 'each loaned IP-Range is to be regarded equally, whether newly assigned or assigned years ago'.
>>
>> What i can understand is some members 'feeling', the elder members did some 'protection of establishment'.
>
> The proposed (and counter proposed) fee structures for 2012 did try and
> address this by taking out the time limitations but the membership (or
> at least those that voted) did not believe that the final proposed fee
> structure was acceptable and therefore the 2011 one was re-used.
>
> The NCC board (I believe) have taken these views on board and are
> looking to propose a new structure for 2013 that addresses this issue,
> tries to tie membership fees to 'size' more accurately and also provides
> a fully costed breakdown of the individual elements in the activity plan
> for 2013. They will also have to take into account the tax implications
> of changing the charging structure.
>
> The membership will have plenty of time to read and respond to these
> documents when published and vote on them next year. If you have strong
> views or wish to publish your own ideas for a charging scheme I'm sure
> the NCC board (and the rest of the membership) will be willing to
> discuss them (or tear them to pieces as the mood dictates).
>
> J
>
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> Strategic Relations Manager, EMEA
> Limelight Networks
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