From matthew.hattersley at vaioni.com Thu Aug 2 11:27:05 2012 From: matthew.hattersley at vaioni.com (Matthew Hattersley) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:27:05 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Top 20 LIRs use 33% Allocated PA, 88% of LIRs use 10% Allocated PA. In-Reply-To: References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Rob Golding > wrote: > >> If you consume water, you don't pay support ticket, you pay liters of > >> water. > > > > Depends on where you live - that's not the case in all locations or all > countries - in the UK most people pay a flat *minimal* fee for their water > (mine is ?114/year) no matter how much you "consume" > > > > That is because the big consumers of water in the UK have succeeded in > externalizing their costs onto smaller consumers. And that's exactly what this > discussion thread has been about -- trying to force larger consumers of a > finite resource to pay in proportion to their consumption. > I'm not a large consumer of water or IP space, but I'll need to be pushed pretty hard into a metered model. IPs are a means to an end, in of themselves to consumers they have no value as such although metering at the LIR level may seem beneficial, the market verticals won't work as well. I believe someone else said this a lot better. Leave IPv4 as is, and concentrate on IPv6. Worst case, we leave IPv4 in a mess and force adoption of IPv6 sooner. The information transmitted in and with this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the Company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Please also note, Vaioni filter incoming email for spam and inappropriate words. Unfortunately this does mean that sometimes genuine messages can be filtered out. Although we take measures to recover such messages, it must not be assumed that an email has been received by us and important communications should always be followed up by a phone call, fax or printed copy. From rob.golding at othellotech.net Thu Aug 2 17:36:11 2012 From: rob.golding at othellotech.net (Rob Golding) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:36:11 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Top 20 LIRs use 33% Allocated PA, 88% of LIRs use 10% Allocated PA. In-Reply-To: <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> >>>> If you consume water, you don't pay support ticket, >>>> you pay liters of water. >>> Depends on where you live - that's not the case in all >>> locations or all countries - in the UK most people pay a >>> flat *minimal* fee for their water >> That is because the big consumers of water in the UK have >> succeeded in externalizing their costs onto smaller consumers >> And that's exactly what this >> discussion thread has been about Actually it was a backhanded way of taxing for the construction of new sewers without it looking like a tax Personally, if this is a membership organisation, and we're all treated equally, then I think we should all pay the same fee towards the *essential* items of RIPE, and those that want/support/need some of the optional services can pay separately for those My objection isn't even on the current method if "sizing", but on the 7% budget increase, when .... 541,000 on RPKI for a "routing database" because (apparantly) people dont trust the existing database (which costs 844,000) - and hasnt the project been canned anyway ? 427,000 on "outreach" - it's a RIR - what advertising does it need to do ? 989,000 on measurement - presumably the usb "dongles" project - why exactly are we wasting members money on this ? Simply junking those items and you've saved nearly 15% for a start Rob From sylvain.vallerot at opdop.net Sun Aug 5 20:57:29 2012 From: sylvain.vallerot at opdop.net (Sylvain Vallerot) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:57:29 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] Proposal for New RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model In-Reply-To: References: <4FFADB40.1000806@titley.com> <3D7F7C92CA8EEF458B7AC7BACD7D619102F1946D57BA@EXVS002.netsourcing.lan> Message-ID: <501EC219.8010501@opdop.net> On 09/07/2012 17:47, Michiel Ettema wrote: > The problem with defining criteria is what they are going to be based > on. Do we fall back to resource usage ? What other > metrics are suited as criteria ? Hi all, Lots of criteria have been suggested so far. Except that of ressource misuse and policy transgression. Making some exploration in the database I often meet so obvious cases of abusive /16 or some big LIRs that can waste thousands of IPs since these have a zero cost for them. I'm not sure this could (or even should) have an effect of members fees in normal conditions, but it defenitely shoud have a consequence on the fees of LIRs that waste the public ressources. It does not take long to find some of these abuse cases, since there are very obviously suspect situations like tertiary companies having huge public networks... what for !? Therefore I suggest a campaign for revisiting big assignments and having LIRs to make a little bit of introspection. All less specific than /24 assigned to non ISPs or IP service providers could be looked a as suspect as a rule of thumb. After a "make you own cleanup" period there could some regulation about the last requested allocations regarding to what had been done previously, and eventually some financial adjustment. Regards, Sylvain From a.shikov at itcons.net.ua Sun Aug 5 21:51:28 2012 From: a.shikov at itcons.net.ua (Alexander Shikov) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 22:51:28 +0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Something strange with RIPE DB Message-ID: <20120805195128.GA11578@crete.itcons.net.ua> Hello! I have a strange behaviour of RIPE DB right now: whois-request from IP 193.0.227.234 returns: # whois -r ?S43668 % This is the RIPE Database query service. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions. % See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf %ERROR:101: no entries found % % No entries found in source RIPE. % This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.19.5 (WHOIS3) The same request from 109.68.46.146 returns normal output. Did anyone experience similar problem? -- Alexander Shikov IT Consulting L.L.C. Tel.: +380 44 201 1407 | Fax: +380 44 201 1409 | Mob.: +380 50 410 3057 From ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com Sun Aug 5 22:18:31 2012 From: ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com (William Weber) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 22:18:31 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] Something strange with RIPE DB In-Reply-To: <20120805195128.GA11578@crete.itcons.net.ua> References: <20120805195128.GA11578@crete.itcons.net.ua> Message-ID: <020121C3-FB3A-421D-86DA-F2338C841471@edisglobal.com> You are likely blacklisted, query works fine for me also from Ukrainian 193.* PI space (Routed at Ukrtelecom) -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 05.08.2012 um 21:51 schrieb Alexander Shikov : > 193.0.227.234 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.shikov at itcons.net.ua Sun Aug 5 23:28:35 2012 From: a.shikov at itcons.net.ua (Alexander Shikov) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:28:35 +0300 Subject: [members-discuss] Something strange with RIPE DB In-Reply-To: <020121C3-FB3A-421D-86DA-F2338C841471@edisglobal.com> References: <20120805195128.GA11578@crete.itcons.net.ua> <020121C3-FB3A-421D-86DA-F2338C841471@edisglobal.com> Message-ID: <20120805212835.GA12263@crete.itcons.net.ua> On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 10:18:31PM +0200, William Weber wrote: > You are likely blacklisted, query works fine for me also from Ukrainian 193.* PI space > (Routed at Ukrtelecom) I don't think I'm blacklisted. It seems that there is (or was) a problem with whois service. Two identical requests from 193.0.227.234, but replies are different: # whois -r AS43668 % This is the RIPE Database query service. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions. % See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf % Note: this output has been filtered. % To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag. % Information related to 'AS43008 - AS44031' as-block: AS43008 - AS44031 [...] % This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.19.5 (WHOIS2) # % This is the RIPE Database query service. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions. % See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf %ERROR:101: no entries found % % No entries found in source RIPE. % This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.19.5 (WHOIS4) And right now the problem has dissapeared. -- Alexander Shikov IT Consulting L.L.C. Tel.: +380 44 201 1407 | Fax: +380 44 201 1409 | Mob.: +380 50 410 3057 From kranjbar at ripe.net Mon Aug 6 10:35:19 2012 From: kranjbar at ripe.net (Kaveh Ranjbar) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:35:19 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] Something strange with RIPE DB In-Reply-To: <20120805212835.GA12263@crete.itcons.net.ua> References: <20120805195128.GA11578@crete.itcons.net.ua> <020121C3-FB3A-421D-86DA-F2338C841471@edisglobal.com> <20120805212835.GA12263@crete.itcons.net.ua> Message-ID: Dear Alexander, Thank you for your report. You are right about not being blocked, in case of an access restriction, the error message clearly states the cause. We have investigated the query you have mentioned throughly. In cases of no results, what we have received at our side was the word "?S43668" with the letter A written in Cyrillic Capital Letter ?. That is U+0410 instead of U+0041 which was also used in the original email in this thread as well and this results in no objects found. We will shortly add a feature to append a comment to the output whenever non-ascii characters are supplied in the query string. If this should happen again, it will be clear to the client that these characters have been used. Kind Regards, Kaveh. --- Kaveh Ranjbar, RIPE NCC Database Group Manager On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Alexander Shikov wrote: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 10:18:31PM +0200, William Weber wrote: >> You are likely blacklisted, query works fine for me also from Ukrainian 193.* PI space >> (Routed at Ukrtelecom) > > I don't think I'm blacklisted. It seems that there is (or was) a problem with > whois service. Two identical requests from 193.0.227.234, but replies are > different: > ... From members-discuss at nepustil.net Fri Aug 10 17:47:00 2012 From: members-discuss at nepustil.net (Kurt Jaeger) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:47:00 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region In-Reply-To: <1343388475.658005.555905697.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> References: <50126FFE.1090605@level7.it> <67B2C63E-DD5B-4AE8-9C9B-9889BEC13332@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343344304.737360.066842782.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343384722.994852.678257141.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343388475.658005.555905697.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> Message-ID: <20120810154700.GG67468@complx.nepustil.net> Hi! > Does any global telecom support IPv6? I was recently visiting in Idaho, US, at Priest Lake. No fixed line connections, but Verizon LTE, using IPv6 space, was working. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 8 years to go ! Dr.-Ing. Nepustil & Co. GmbH fon +49 7123 93006-0 pi at nepustil.net Rathausstr. 3 fax +49 7123 93006-99 72658 Bempflingen mob +49 171 3101372 From paolo.difrancesco at level7.it Fri Aug 10 18:10:47 2012 From: paolo.difrancesco at level7.it (Paolo Di Francesco) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:10:47 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region In-Reply-To: <20120810154700.GG67468@complx.nepustil.net> References: <50126FFE.1090605@level7.it> <67B2C63E-DD5B-4AE8-9C9B-9889BEC13332@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343344304.737360.066842782.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343384722.994852.678257141.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343388475.658005.555905697.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <20120810154700.GG67468@complx.nepustil.net> Message-ID: <50253287.70502@level7.it> Hi Kurt if you don't mind, what phone model? (iPhone, Android, etc) did you connect to the internet? any idea how they were "natting" the IPv4 content on their network? Thank you > Hi! > >> Does any global telecom support IPv6? > > I was recently visiting in Idaho, US, at Priest Lake. No fixed line > connections, but Verizon LTE, using IPv6 space, was working. > -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it From members-discuss at nepustil.net Fri Aug 10 18:23:18 2012 From: members-discuss at nepustil.net (Kurt Jaeger) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:23:18 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region In-Reply-To: <50253287.70502@level7.it> References: <50126FFE.1090605@level7.it> <67B2C63E-DD5B-4AE8-9C9B-9889BEC13332@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343344304.737360.066842782.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343384722.994852.678257141.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343388475.658005.555905697.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <20120810154700.GG67468@complx.nepustil.net> <50253287.70502@level7.it> Message-ID: <20120810162318.GK67468@complx.nepustil.net> Hi! > if you don't mind, what phone model? (iPhone, Android, etc) It was some data-only device, I was using it with some Windows Vista laptop. > did you connect to the internet? Yes. > any idea how they were "natting" the > IPv4 content on their network? The device also provided IPv4 adresses. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 8 years to go ! Dr.-Ing. Nepustil & Co. GmbH fon +49 7123 93006-0 pi at nepustil.net Rathausstr. 3 fax +49 7123 93006-99 72658 Bempflingen mob +49 171 3101372 From jon at fido.net Fri Aug 10 18:34:00 2012 From: jon at fido.net (Jon Morby) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:34:00 +0000 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Top 20 LIRs use 33% Allocated PA, 88% of LIRs use 10% Allocated PA. In-Reply-To: <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> Message-ID: <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> On 2 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Rob Golding > wrote: My objection isn't even on the current method if "sizing", but on the 7% budget increase, when .... 541,000 on RPKI for a "routing database" because (apparantly) people dont trust the existing database (which costs 844,000) - and hasnt the project been canned anyway ? 427,000 on "outreach" - it's a RIR - what advertising does it need to do ? 989,000 on measurement - presumably the usb "dongles" project - why exactly are we wasting members money on this ? Simply junking those items and you've saved nearly 15% for a start agreed 100% Jon -- Jon Morby FidoNet - the internet made simple! 10 - 16 Tiller Road, London, E14 8PX tel: 0845 004 3050 / fax: 0845 004 3051 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at titley.com Fri Aug 24 17:02:51 2012 From: nigel at titley.com (Nigel Titley) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:02:51 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Top 20 LIRs use 33% Allocated PA, 88% of LIRs use 10% Allocated PA. In-Reply-To: <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> Message-ID: <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> On 10/08/2012 17:34, Jon Morby wrote: > > > On 2 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Rob Golding > wrote: > >> My objection isn't even on the current method if "sizing", but on the 7% >> budget increase, when .... >> >> 541,000 on RPKI for a "routing database" because (apparantly) people dont >> trust the existing database (which costs 844,000) - and hasnt the project >> been canned anyway ? No it hasn't been canned. It was approved by the membership (by a fairly narrow margin) at the last GM. >> >> 427,000 on "outreach" - it's a RIR - what advertising does it need to >> do ? It's not advertising. RIPE NCC doesn't advertise. But it does do a lot of work (as do the other RIRs) on explaining to Govts and other bodies that the internet works quite well as it does and that the whole thing shouldn't be handed over to the ITU (which is a serious threat, although less serious than it was, largely due to the work that RIPE et al have been doing). This is what is meant by "outreach". >> >> 989,000 on measurement - presumably the usb "dongles" project - why >> exactly >> are we wasting members money on this ? Because the members seem to want it. If the members come out in large numbers and tell them not to do it then it will stop. >> >> Simply junking those items and you've saved nearly 15% for a start > > > agreed 100% However, note that although the budget has increased by 7%, the spending per member (adjusted by the rate of inflation) has actually decreased, as the number of members has risen. Nigel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stolpe at resilans.se Fri Aug 24 17:41:10 2012 From: stolpe at resilans.se (Daniel Stolpe) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:41:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Top 20 LIRs use 33% Allocated PA, 88% of LIRs use 10% Allocated PA. In-Reply-To: <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Nigel Titley wrote: > On 10/08/2012 17:34, Jon Morby wrote: > > > > 989,000 on measurement - presumably the usb "dongles" project - why exactly > are we wasting members money on this ? > > Because the members seem to want it. If the members come out in large numbers and tell them not to do it then it will stop. My view of this is that we have been vaguely aware of this business but we have had no idea of who started it, the budget, the goals etc. When were the members asked? I think measurement could be a good idea but absolutely not the way it has been going on during the last few years. There has to be a clear connection to a working group, goals decided by the members, an obvious budget for each project etc. And I don't think it has to be the RIPE NCC perform all the measurements every time. There might be other solutions. Best Regards, Daniel Stolpe _________________________________________________________________________________ Daniel Stolpe Tel: 08 - 688 11 81 stolpe at resilans.se Resilans AB Fax: 08 - 55 00 21 63 http://www.resilans.se/ Box 13 054 556741-1193 103 02 Stockholm -------------- next part -------------- ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. From nigel at titley.com Fri Aug 24 17:51:24 2012 From: nigel at titley.com (Nigel Titley) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:51:24 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Top 20 LIRs use 33% Allocated PA, 88% of LIRs use 10% Allocated PA. In-Reply-To: References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> Message-ID: <5037A2FC.3060800@titley.com> On 24/08/2012 16:41, Daniel Stolpe wrote: > > > My view of this is that we have been vaguely aware of this business > but we have had no idea of who started it, the budget, the goals etc. > When were the members asked? > > I think measurement could be a good idea but absolutely not the way it > has been going on during the last few years. > > There has to be a clear connection to a working group, goals decided > by the members, an obvious budget for each project etc. And I don't > think it has to be the RIPE NCC perform all the measurements every > time. There might be other solutions. Indeed. And the best place to discuss this would be the MAT working group. Nigel From ptyll at nitronet.pl Fri Aug 24 17:40:38 2012 From: ptyll at nitronet.pl (Pawel Tyll) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:40:38 +0200 Subject: [members-discuss] NRTM free access for every LIR. In-Reply-To: <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> Message-ID: <1401584063.20120824174038@nitronet.pl> Hello everyone, I still want my free-for-every-LIR access to NRTM of RIPE DB; hopefully so do other LIRs. How do I make it happen without attending GM? Can this be made into one of the polls? Kind regards, Pawel Tyll. From nigel at titley.com Fri Aug 24 18:54:15 2012 From: nigel at titley.com (Nigel Titley) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:54:15 +0100 Subject: [members-discuss] NRTM free access for every LIR. In-Reply-To: <1401584063.20120824174038@nitronet.pl> References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> <1401584063.20120824174038@nitronet.pl> Message-ID: <5037B1B7.90009@titley.com> On 24/08/2012 16:40, Pawel Tyll wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I still want my free-for-every-LIR access to NRTM of RIPE DB; > hopefully so do other LIRs. How do I make it happen without attending > GM? Can this be made into one of the polls? Could I suggest you raise it in the NCC-services WG as well as here? Might be a good place to gain some support Nigel > > Kind regards, > > Pawel Tyll. > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. From admin at 7i.net.sa Sat Aug 25 09:31:50 2012 From: admin at 7i.net.sa (Admin) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:31:50 +0300 Subject: [members-discuss] NRTM free access for every LIR. In-Reply-To: <5037B1B7.90009@titley.com> References: <001101cd6e35$80d27290$827757b0$@datahouse.nl> <500EB0A5.80004@titley.com> <1343638845.329366.611725469.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <1343641392.988208.356793442.205243.2@otrs.hostingconsult.ru> <501662F6.10902@lanto.it> <5016eaa9.c8cd0e0a.458c.7b66SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <68586C82C4B9CE47B4DD16FBDBC622A329C118B6@DBXPRD0610MB358.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <00e401cd70c4$8b1a7400$a14f5c00$@golding@othellotech.net> <2AFD5B87-C740-48D4-856A-D963AE8D2C31@fido.net> <5037979B.7020207@titley.com> <1401584063.20120824174038@nitronet.pl> <5037B1B7.90009@titley.com> Message-ID: <004301cd8293$b1542ea0$13fc8be0$@net.sa> I agree with you -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nigel Titley Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:54 PM To: members-discuss at ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] NRTM free access for every LIR. On 24/08/2012 16:40, Pawel Tyll wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I still want my free-for-every-LIR access to NRTM of RIPE DB; > hopefully so do other LIRs. How do I make it happen without attending > GM? Can this be made into one of the polls? Could I suggest you raise it in the NCC-services WG as well as here? Might be a good place to gain some support Nigel > > Kind regards, > > Pawel Tyll. > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.