[members-discuss] Proposed 2012 Charging scheme, Board comments
SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling ripe-lir at speednic.eu
Wed Oct 5 14:14:45 CEST 2011
Hi Michiel, 100% agree. That would be better charging scheme ;) Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L. Am 05.10.2011 08:23, schrieb Michiel Klaver: > Dear Nigel, > > After some considerations I would like to propose another charging scheme > alternative, one that could comply with the current tax regulations. The > basic idea is to treat all members and all their registered objects as > equal. The scheme would look something like this: > > - one basic membership fee for all LIR members; > - a fee for each registered object, regardless of their size; > > This is something comparable like we are already doing with PI objects, > which already get charged 50 eur/year each. This model just stretches it > to other objects too (PA ipv4/ipv6 and ASN). Exact values of these fees > have to be calculated by RIPE NCC treasurer to match the budget, but the > basic membership fee should be kept low enough to match something like the > current extra-small category for starting LIRs. > > Hoping for some support from other RIPE members and the community, and > awaiting to see some calculations what values these fees could be set at. > > With kind regards, > Michiel Klaver > > > > At Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:53:18 +0100, Nigel Titley<nigel at titley.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> > >> I would like to update you about the RIPE NCC Executive Board >> deliberations regarding the draft charging scheme for 2012. >> >> We presented you with two draft schemes, in early summer, to gather >> feedback from you. We did this as we wanted to hear your opinions on >> measures we want to take which are designed to keep the RIPE NCC >> financially stable and capable of serving its members as it should. >> >> You engaged in a lively discussion on this mailing list, and even ran a >> mini-survey. We followed the exchanges closely and as result asked >> RIPE NCC staff to provide the board with another charging scheme option, >> based on a sliding scale scheme that eliminated the membership >> categories we currently use. >> >> During the board meeting of last Friday, 23 September, we discussed the >> merits as well as some of the issues of that model. Obviously a sliding >> scale model as its main benefit does away with the fee jumps of the >> category based model. We were pleased with the model that we developed >> with the NCC staff and felt that it addressed many of the issues raised >> by you, the members. >> >> However, in consultation with our tax lawyers we have had to think >> again. Because it brings a "fee-per-address" flavour to the charging >> model of the RIPE NCC it fundamentally alters the tax scheme under which >> we operate. The current "category" model allows us to argue that we are >> a membership association with different categories of membership. This >> brings substantial tax advantages. >> >> As you know, for a long time the RIPE NCC tax situation has been >> extremely favourable, as we don't have to pay corporation tax, based on >> an agreement made with the Dutch tax authorities many years ago. We are >> advised that the envisaged change in the charging scheme would lead to a >> re-assessment of that agreement, with the likely outcome that the >> association's surplus would have to be taxed, leading to a significant >> financial liability, with an obvious knock-on effect to the member fees. >> >> In the light of this, the board members have agreed not to expose our >> organisation to that risk, staying with a category based system. We have >> however noted your preference for reduced "fee jumps" between >> categories, and have instructed NCC staff to produce a charging scheme >> model based on 10 categories, doubling the current category number. >> Category divisions will be based on a count of address space held. >> >> This revised Charging Scheme 2012 we will publish, as usual, prior to >> the General Meeting in November, for approval by the members during the >> General Meeting. We can advise you already that we are opening up the >> voting mechanism for all resolutions to include electronic voting, so >> that all members of the association have a good opportunity to take a >> full part in the proceedings. >> >> At this time, I would like to thank you all, on behalf of the RIPE NCC >> Executive Board, for participating in the discussion. I look forward to >> seeing as many of you as possible at the next General Meeting. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Nigel Titley >> Chairman >> RIPE NCC Executive Board >> > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.