[members-discuss] FW: NCC acting on registrations pursuant to "police order"?

Hi Brandon, 

>>> 1    Each Party shall adopt such legislative and other measures as
>>> may be necessary to enable its competent authorities to order or 
>>> similarly obtain the expeditious preservation of specified computer 
>>> data
>
>It's just preservation, it doesn't say prevention of new data creation
(you'd have to preserve that too)

>It would just be a limitation of the RIPE systems if they have to lock an
account to ensure retention of data, they could implement other means to
provide a preserved data trail while leaving the account active.

Your statement might be true and is also the problem with international
ratification of Treaties and the underlying national implementation into the
law. 

In this case, the question would be, what was the actual request from the
Police, in order to get some more detail on it. If a preservation of
information would have been enough or if a freeze of an account would be
required. 
An online copy of the actual request from the KLPD in that case would be
nice, where the personal details can be removed with black marker to protect
the innocence etc. (blah blah ..  ;-) ) 

I can only imagine that the operational system of RIPE would not have been
designed to comply with anything like a Data retention act in mind.
(Off-topic: Which in the Netherlands is still on 12 months btw.) 
So was the locking of the accounts towards the RIPE systems or freezing of
the subnets, was it about the LIR portal, the associated maintainer passwd,
or something else, like preventing them from doing changes to rev. dns. ? Or
was it about avoiding transfers or changes in the Whois DB ?

And instead of dealing with all the fuzz of the above, RIPE NCC might have
taken the route of ... disable the accounts and wait ... Which is a
perfectly good action imho as it would freeze the evidence present and the
people involved would only notice it when they would actually need to make
changes. 

Questions .. questions .. And only a few that know. 

Erik