[ncc-services-wg] Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme

ok, first of all, basing a billing model on the soon-to-be-obsolete-anyway
ipv4, is completely retarded and a waste of time, secondly,

keep in mind that most of the "big ipv4 players" are PRE-RIR LEGACY blocks 
anyway, they don't pay anything in the current model anyway, either with 
arin or with ripe. (registered < 1995)

all of the big (firewalled) office networks at multinationals, etc

which is where most of the ipv4 space is wasted.

furthermore, the "e-class" space is completely unused (244/8 upwards)
"experimental use" (just take what you want?!)

if you want to recover ipv4 addresses, have a looksie at the 6 or so
DoD ranges which are not announced -at all- except for a single /23 or so 
:P, and at companies like ford and other ones that have /8's..

within the RIPE region, several multinationals with pre-rir larger blocks 
come to mind (we won't mention names, but a lot of them are not even 
routed, and if they're routed, they could just as well use NAT ;)

but personally, i  neither see any reason to change the billing model to 
"conserve ipv4 space", nor to "recover" ipv4 addresses, nor to keep it 
artificially alive in any other way... you have ipv6, now use it.

if you "need" ipv4, you can just take some of the "e-class" space for all 
i'm concerned and announce it, for such a short period of time between all 
access networks being -forced- to support ipv6 by their customer base and 
google and facebook and akamai and the likes -finally- switching on ipv6 
permanently, i'm quite sure the internet can survive on that unregulated 
stuff. (after a while, nobody wants ipv4 anymore anyway, as there is no 
need for it anymore the moment the major content parties also figure it 
out)

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On Wed, 3 Aug 2011, Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst wrote:

> On 2011-08-03 15:31, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> I don't think RIPE NCC is in a position to establish an address space tax. 
>> Existing fees are there to cover administrative costs and other RIPE 
>> activities, not as an incentive for address space conservation. 
> It is NOT a tax... The EUR 0.002/IP "fee" is way to low to promote address 
> space conservation. RIPE has 49 /8 assigned by IANA, being some 800M IP 
> addresses. So the annual costs PER IP address in the RIPE region are EUR 
> 0.018/(IP*year), *10-times* more than the EUR 0.002 - the 2010 budget of RIPE 
> being EUR 15M. And no, it's not even unfair to the big player.
>
> Costs per IP (and year) in my proposal:
>
> /22  0.490
> /21  0.441
> /20  0.319
> /19  0.210
> /18  0.130
> /17  0.078
> /16  0.046
> /15  0.027
> /14  0.016
> /13  0.010
> /12  0.006
> /11  0.004
> /10  0.003
> /9   0.003
> /8   0.002
>
> Best regards,
>
>    wiwi
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