[members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
Paolo Prandini prandini at spe.net
Tue Aug 2 10:48:45 CEST 2011
I agree with the options expressed in this thread. It doesn't make sense to have XXS and XS categories with smaller than /21 where according to the current rules you can't get anything smaller than /21. Then I believe that the requirement that PI users must be RIPE NCC members is big problem. As an example, we allocated PI space to Italian public administration entities that cannot be members of anything if there is no law allowing them to do so. In this case how can they keep their allocation? Then: we won a 36 months contract with them with strict rules and if we change anything the contract will be cancelled with a penalty; we could not choose the rules because they are fixed with a law. In this case, will the RIPE refund us the damages? What if the public administration sues us for the lost PI allocation damages? I think that changes that have not only a financial impact but also a legal one ( like the one forcing an allocation to be made only to a member ) should apply only to new allocations and not to the existing ones. Otherwise the RIPE will face lots of legal expenses! Il 02/08/2011 10.22, Patrick Kambach ha scritto: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > hi Marcel, > > I have a "bad feeling" about the new charing scheme. > > 1) as Daniel already wrote and you also mentioned: it looks like nearly > ever LIR will have to pay more for the same resources. > 2) if I understood correctly > > "All contracts for any RIPE NCC products or services will be between the > RIPE NCC and a member. This means that Direct Assignment Users and other > separate service contract holders, such as DNSMON subscribers, must be a > RIPE NCC member" > > the current "sponsoring" of pi-space by a LIR is not possible any more. > So we lose min. 10 customers having this service. > > 3) if 2) is right, the RIPE will have to get more stuff for all the > small /24 pi-space members > > For me it's just "making money"; but the RIPE has enough, so why?! > > It's nice that they say it's making everything easier, but I guess it's > making everything more complex and for all the LIR... will the RIPE pay > for the customers I lost when they become members? > > The RIPE should fix open topics like asused for ipv6 first and try to > save money before they start asking for more. > > Br, > Patrick > > > > > Am 02.08.2011 02:11, schrieb Marcel Edler (Optimate-Server.de): >> Hello member, >> >> my LIR has 2x/18, 1x/19, 1x/17 PA-Allocation. When I look right my >> membership category will be size L. I have to pay 5000 Euro a year, >> because I have one /19 over /16. I think the price step from category >> M to category L is to big. 2500Eur -> 5000Eur You should add a >> category between M and L. It should have this requirements: IPv4: >>> /16,<=/14 price should be 3500 Euro every year >> >> Its not fair, that I have to pay 5000 Euro, instead 2500 Euro, only I >> have one /19 to much to met requirements for category M! >> >> -- Regards, Marcel Edler >> >> > > - -- > ConnectingBytes GmbH - "www.kambach.net" > | In der Steele 35, 40599 Düsseldorf, Germany > | Telefon: 0800 / 900 2580 - 1, Fax: 0800 / 900 2580 - 2 > | Email: pkambach at kambach.net > | Web: http://www.kambach.net > | > | Geschäftsführer: Patrick Kambach > | Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 60009 > | Ust-IdNr.: DE815028832, Steuernummer: 106/5736/0037 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk43s7MACgkQCIR+kawbQF1hHgCfTMqwCA5P3rpQOkkStnbEZZHa > CeIAoPbPr+vqwp2r/cDPBNFQgS2dOrze > =yaI4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ---- > If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ > First click on General and then click on Edit. > At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses. -- Dr.Ing.Paolo Prandini Dr.Paolo Prandini Rottendorfer Str. 1 A-9560 Lindl Austria Telefon +43 (0)42765105 Fax +43 (0)427637590 S.P.E.Sistemi e Progetti Elettronici s.a.s. 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