[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

FULL ACK

You spoke like out of my soul...

Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
> Eh, I conclude that ripe actually is trying to push network operators to
> become a LIR, while actually those should be seperated functions, a LIR
> can just be an office with no network whatsoever, just like an insurance
> agent doesn't run the insurance company.
>
> Although they have done this for quite some time (asking our clients
> rediculous questions such as wether they would not rather become a LIR
> themselves eventhough they only operate a network for their own services).
>
> (and i'm getting pretty tired of them trying to do so and thereby
> preventing LIRs from doing what they are supposed to to in a swift and
> practical way, prolonging the process by several days to weeks and bugging
> LIR and clients with stupid questions)
>
> furthermore it's wrong that IP space is hereby assigned a monetary value,
> as the sole function of LIRs is to distribute that IP space to end-users,
> RIPE already gets plenty of cash from the LIRs just for being a LIR,
> requesting additional payment for PI space registrations is pretty much
> against the whole existing points-billing-model.
>
> Instead of asking 50 euros per assignment per ??year/month/cow/whatever??,
> it would make more sense to check if assignments are actually
> announced and if they are not, delete them after 3 years or so.
>
> also with the introduction of 32 bit AS numbers and IPv6 neither PI space,
> nor AS numbers are going to run out anywhere within our life time, so
> actually i don't see the point of even keeping them linked to the current
> points system at all, let alone introduce new fees.
>
> the whole idea behind the rirs and lirs is to -distribute- ip space, so
> that people don't just have to "grab their own". not to make money, should
> that become the case, we could just as well go back to the "just grab
> yourself some address space" approach like still is the case on some
> other larger linked networks.
>
> RIPE should not be in the business of trying to run a profit on it, their
> only purpose is to make sure the resources don't run out (which neither 32
> bit AS numbers nor IPv6 PI space ever will, and IPv4 will become
> significantly less wanted before it even gets the chance to "run out"
> anyway).
>
> so this is a "solution" to a non-existing "problem"..
>
> besides, anyone looked at their concept-contract? it's like 3 meters long!
> wtf..
>
> our "contracts" are usually verbal and go like "we will register some PI
> space for you, if you pay us EUR 2500 "Administration fee" for the work
> (and yes, due to RIPE's pain in the butt-ness regarding PI space, its a
> lot of work ;), for which you will receive an invoice which needs to be
> paid before $date". and that's about it and should suffice.
> (with most of our PI/AS clients, we do not actually route their
> network for them, they get local companies to do that for them.)
>
>
>   


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