[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

Eh, I conclude that ripe actually is trying to push network operators to
become a LIR, while actually those should be seperated functions, a LIR
can just be an office with no network whatsoever, just like an insurance
agent doesn't run the insurance company.

Although they have done this for quite some time (asking our clients
rediculous questions such as wether they would not rather become a LIR
themselves eventhough they only operate a network for their own services).

(and i'm getting pretty tired of them trying to do so and thereby
preventing LIRs from doing what they are supposed to to in a swift and
practical way, prolonging the process by several days to weeks and bugging
LIR and clients with stupid questions)

furthermore it's wrong that IP space is hereby assigned a monetary value,
as the sole function of LIRs is to distribute that IP space to end-users,
RIPE already gets plenty of cash from the LIRs just for being a LIR,
requesting additional payment for PI space registrations is pretty much
against the whole existing points-billing-model.

Instead of asking 50 euros per assignment per ??year/month/cow/whatever??,
it would make more sense to check if assignments are actually
announced and if they are not, delete them after 3 years or so.

also with the introduction of 32 bit AS numbers and IPv6 neither PI space,
nor AS numbers are going to run out anywhere within our life time, so
actually i don't see the point of even keeping them linked to the current
points system at all, let alone introduce new fees.

the whole idea behind the rirs and lirs is to -distribute- ip space, so
that people don't just have to "grab their own". not to make money, should
that become the case, we could just as well go back to the "just grab
yourself some address space" approach like still is the case on some
other larger linked networks.

RIPE should not be in the business of trying to run a profit on it, their
only purpose is to make sure the resources don't run out (which neither 32
bit AS numbers nor IPv6 PI space ever will, and IPv4 will become
significantly less wanted before it even gets the chance to "run out"
anyway).

so this is a "solution" to a non-existing "problem"..

besides, anyone looked at their concept-contract? it's like 3 meters long!
wtf..

our "contracts" are usually verbal and go like "we will register some PI
space for you, if you pay us EUR 2500 "Administration fee" for the work
(and yes, due to RIPE's pain in the butt-ness regarding PI space, its a
lot of work ;), for which you will receive an invoice which needs to be
paid before $date". and that's about it and should suffice.
(with most of our PI/AS clients, we do not actually route their
network for them, they get local companies to do that for them.)


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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Natalya Petrova wrote:

> RegID: kz.kazaktelecom
>
> Good morning, dear colleagues!
> Thanks for your message.
> I have read on a site the information be relative Charging Scheme
> 2010. There are some questions for me.
> I ask the help in the explanatory.
> Questions:
> 1) " - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the
> fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment" - It mentions only PI? or
> PA? or PI+PA?
> 2) "fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment" - It every month a
> payment? or every quarter? or for a year?
> 3) "fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment" - It is payment for what
> quantity of addresses (50EUR= ? IPs)?
> 4) " - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the
> fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment" - Operates for all direct
> assignments? or Only new direct assignments (included after 3 May,
> 2009)?
> I shall be very grateful for explanatories.
> Thanks for the help and understanding.
> Yours faithfully,
> Natalya
>
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