From robert at ripe.net Thu Jul 2 09:35:32 2015 From: robert at ripe.net (Robert Kisteleki) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:35:32 +0200 Subject: [mat-wg] Probe and measurement archives vs. the APIs Message-ID: <5594E9C4.5030504@ripe.net> Dear All, We've observed recently that some users are using scripts to "crawl" through all the metadata provided by the probe and measurement APIs. This means that some people out there download basically the entire probe and/or measurement meta data set the system provides. As you can imagine, this is highly inefficient and keeps our servers busy. We believe that there could be better solutions. We have been providing the downloadable archive for probe metadata for some time now, and recently we've added the measurement metadata too. You can now reach these at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/atlas/ This way one can even get complete sets of metadata as far back as January 2015 for measurement specifications and March 2014 for probe data. Given the existence of these archives, we will apply a sane limit on how much metadata can be reached via the APIs. In practice this means that the API will not allow fetching results beyond, say, 10.000 (i.e. 500 pages of 20) entries. This is after the application of filters, so for example with no filters at all you could still access metadata of the 10k newest measurements, while if you filter for DNS measurements only, you could get the 10k newest of those, and so on. We believe this keeps the metadata API useful for the majority of the users, while the existence of the archive serves the remaining cases. Our plan is to make this change around the end of July. Regards, Robert Kisteleki From mir at ripe.net Thu Jul 2 12:18:55 2015 From: mir at ripe.net (Mirjam Kuehne) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:18:55 +0200 Subject: [mat-wg] New on RIPE Labs: Improving RIPE Atlas Coverage. What Networks are Missing? In-Reply-To: <55950FCC.1070207@ripe.net> References: <55950FCC.1070207@ripe.net> Message-ID: <5595100F.50204@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, In this article we compare RIPE Atlas deployment against user population estimates provided by APNIC to see what eyeball networks are missing out on RIPE Atlas probes: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/improving-ripe-atlas-coverage-what-networks-are-missing Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 10:35:35 2015 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:35:35 +0200 Subject: [mat-wg] Network Neutrality - Latest on Regulation Message-ID: http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/07/08-roaming-charges/ There is a link to the regulation as PDF. "How will this become a law? The agreed text will undergo technical finalisation. It then needs to be formally approved by the Council and the Parliament. The Council is expected to formally adopt it in the autumn 2015. This does not need to take place in the Telecom Council: any Council configuration has the power to adopt the legal act. The regulation will enter into force 20 days after its publication in the EU Official Journal.? From mir at ripe.net Fri Jul 10 13:47:49 2015 From: mir at ripe.net (Mirjam Kuehne) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:47:49 +0200 Subject: [mat-wg] New on RIPE Labs: Visualisation of a New Node in LACTLD Anycast Service Message-ID: <559FB0E5.5050904@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, Please read on RIPE Labs how RIPE Atlas was used to measure improvements to the LACTLD infrastructure (by Hugo Salgado): https://labs.ripe.net/Members/hugo_salgado/visualisation-of-a-new-node-in-lactld-anycast-service Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC From randy at psg.com Fri Jul 10 22:29:07 2015 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:29:07 -0700 Subject: [mat-wg] Network Neutrality - Latest on Regulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/07/08-roaming-charges/ you are proposing we plan to measure this? how? randy From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 19:51:25 2015 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:51:25 +0200 Subject: [mat-wg] Network Neutrality - Latest on Regulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49940D49-214F-4D7B-B3AD-3A60748639FE@gmail.com> OK. Clarification. You? We? Well not me. And not you. If the EU institutions (Council and Parliament) agree on this (and I understand that this to be very likely) then the associated tasks will be delegated to the national regulators. So to rephrase: the EU institutions are proposing that the EU regulators plan to measure this. Various people have asked me what previous drafts of the regulation meant. OK I guess that that means the text was not clear. But I increasingly pointed them to BEREC (the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications) who, with the national regulators, will be responsible for implementing the regulation and therefore for interpreting it. So the ?plan? is being made there. Much good reading can be found on the BEREC web-site. Anyway we had the presentations on ?network neutrality? in Amsterdam. And last week AFNIC hosted a meeting on measurements. Good meeting. A guy from the local regulator spoke. But so did Patrik and Daniel. Niall was also there. It could be interesting to hear what they think. I think though that this proposed regulation is potentially bad for the internet. I would love to hear arguments otherwise. From folk who have read the drafts of course! Gordon > On 10 Jul 2015, at 22:29, Randy Bush wrote: > >> http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/07/08-roaming-charges/ > > you are proposing we plan to measure this? how? > > randy From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 08:49:13 2015 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:49:13 +0200 Subject: [mat-wg] Network Neutrality - Latest on Regulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509192CE-AE84-41F4-8F73-139C0D6CE1C8@gmail.com> I would suggest that it could be useful if either MAT or Cooperation invited somebody from the local regulator in Bucharest to come along and explain what they will now do, in line with the regulation, about ?network neutrality? and in particular about the measurements to be made: what measurements, how they will be made, who by and how they will then be used. Gordon > On 10 Jul 2015, at 22:29, Randy Bush wrote: > >> http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/07/08-roaming-charges/ > > you are proposing we plan to measure this? how? > > randy