new swamp ?
Hank Nussbacher hank at att.net.il
Tue Jun 4 19:29:55 CEST 2002
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Bernard Steiner wrote: I have cases where I have told RIPE of deceased ISPs: http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?-T+inetnum+212.77.128/19 http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?-T+inetnum+195.3.128/17 http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?-T+inetnum+195.8.192/19 These have been unannounced for at least 2 years now and RIPE hasn't seen fit to revoke or withdraw the IP ranges. I doubt the LIR has paid dues since they no longer exist. So I can imagine that KPNQwest space will languish in RIPE for a while (there are 4 KPNQwest entries listed at: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/allocs4.html countries: .at, .eu, .ee, and .it) I think if there is any company or organization who has been assigned the full /20 or /19 from KPNQwest (doubtful - but a possibility) and they want to move over to some other ISP - why not allow it? The routing table size won't increase by even one prefix. /24s should just renumber within 6 months. -Hank > Hi there, > > > On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:54:38PM +0000, Andre Stiphout wrote: > > > What is the position of the RIPE NCC/RIPE community on the address space > > > of a SP that disappears from the net? Is there a clear statement > > > somewhere describing that all of the SP PA-space needs to be returned > > > within x months to RIPE? > > "Usually" the LIR in question gets bought (so there is somebody who > > gets the allocation and is "responsible" for the PA now), but I don't > > know what happens if the LIR disappears completely. > > The situation is a little more difficult than that because in this case > LIR > includes more than one > autonomous system > includes one or more > legal entity > > So "buying the LIR" probably means buying the whole company, whereas buying > a legal entity in some country does not buy the LIR (though there is hope > to get the addresses out of the LIR in that case). > > It might be a good idea to create something like special PA space owned by RIPE > (all things considered, that is the case anyway [check the /16... ahem...]) > and let some customers run off with their >=/24 PA address space. > However, that doesn't really help those customers with sub-/24 assignments. > > Bernard Steiner > Connecting Europe 1982-2002, myself on the net since1988 > Hank Nussbacher
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