[lir-wg] AS Number Policy - continued

Hi,

Peter Galbavy wrote:
> Most contracts are commercially confidential and also sensitive. I do not
> expect either myself of my customers or suppliers to provide this to RIPE
> 'just because'.

Me neither. I never said that anyone should copies of the contracts to the
RIPE.
I did mean a simple form like:

----------- 8< ----------------- 8< -------------------- 8< ---------------

Lir: eu.newlir
     <Lir Adress Data etc>

Will receive ip-transit and BGP4-Peering from the follwing ISPs within X
Months:

ISP-A                              ISP-B
<Adress etc>                       <Adress etc.>

Signature                          Signature
---------                          ----------

----------- 8< ----------------- 8< -------------------- 8< ---------------

I hope you get what i mean. 

> Also, we should collectively remember that each country the RIPE operates in
> may have different legal requirements and regulatory frameworks. Most of the
> EU is similar, but as an anecdote, I believe RIPE still requires a 'chamber
> of commerce' certificate ? 

As far as i remember they require _some_ formal writtem paper about the 
jurisdictional existance of a company which wants to become a LIR.
The "chamber of commerce" certificate is AFAIK not neccessary. You can
even get away without any certificate i think.

> [..] Try to convince a hidebound beaurocrat stuck in a small office on Singel
> that though. Why should RIPE dictate my local business decisions ?

I fail to c where this really hinders your business. On the other hand i can
really
understand that you want to keep the formal, bureaucratic stuff like signed
forms
low :)

This proposal just came out of my experiences while working with or for
various ISPs
in Europe where i often noticed that ISPs obtained AS-Nums allthough they
didnt needed
them then, and most of them dont use them today.

All they hear is that the AS-Number supply is limted, AS-Numbers are for free
=> and they are out to get one => Results in unused AS-Numbers.

best regards,

  Arnd
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