[ipv6-wg] Re: ipv6-wg digest, Vol 1 #413 - 3 msgs

Tue Sep 8 14:24:47 CEST 2009

Hi,

for your MPLS backbone you still could reserve a few IPv4 addresses to
use. The first place where you won't have enough addresses will be at
your costumer's side. (All ISP has more costumers than backbone
routers)

Do you know while the Broadband Forum has no clear ideas even now how
to support IPv6?

This is a bit more important question, I think...

Best,

       Geza

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>    1. Re: Re: LDP over Ipv6 (Isacco Fontana)
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> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:36:13 +0200
> From: Isacco Fontana <isacco.fontana at trentinonetwork.it>
> To: mtinka at globaltransit.net
> CC: ipv6-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Re: LDP over Ipv6
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> Do you think we can start discussion with big vendors (Cisco/Juniper) ?
>
> Mark Tinka ha scritto:
>> On Monday 07 September 2009 05:06:47 am Isacco Fontana=20
>> wrote:
>>
>>  =20
>>> I think this (LPD over ipv6) is not a customer
>>> (isp/carrier) demand but a real problem when RIRs stop to
>>> allocate ipv4 addresses. How ISP/Carriers can build a new
>>> mpls backbone If  big vendor not support the IPv6 over
>>> LDP and isp can't make request for new ipv4 blocks ?
>>>    =20
>>
>> Given how much money vendors are making from MPLS, it might=20
>> be safe to say they'll have support for it when v4 runs out.=20
>> The only question is which customer will be big enough for=20
>> them to get it in there :-).
>>
>> My main concern is, given how much traffic is being carried=20
>> by MPLS today (for better or worse), the earlier vendors put=20
>> out native support for it in v6, the quicker bugs can be=20
>> worked out. Even if support became available today, I'd=20
>> probably feel safer not deploying it at least 3 releases=20
>> from when it's launched, looking at the current state of v6=20
>> debug (or lack thereof) for folk that have deployed it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark.
>>  =20
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> Mark Tinka ha scritto:
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>   <pre wrap=3D"">On Monday 07 September 2009 05:06:47 am Isacco Fontana=20
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>     <pre wrap=3D"">I think this (LPD over ipv6) is not a customer
> (isp/carrier) demand but a real problem when RIRs stop to
> allocate ipv4 addresses. How ISP/Carriers can build a new
> mpls backbone If  big vendor not support the IPv6 over
> LDP and isp can't make request for new ipv4 blocks ?
>     </pre>
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>   <pre wrap=3D""><!---->
> Given how much money vendors are making from MPLS, it might=20
> be safe to say they'll have support for it when v4 runs out.=20
> The only question is which customer will be big enough for=20
> them to get it in there :-).
>
> My main concern is, given how much traffic is being carried=20
> by MPLS today (for better or worse), the earlier vendors put=20
> out native support for it in v6, the quicker bugs can be=20
> worked out. Even if support became available today, I'd=20
> probably feel safer not deploying it at least 3 releases=20
> from when it's launched, looking at the current state of v6=20
> debug (or lack thereof) for folk that have deployed it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark.
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> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:39:12 +0200
> From: Gert Doering <gert at space.net>
> To: Isacco Fontana <isacco.fontana at trentinonetwork.it>
> Cc: mtinka at globaltransit.net, ipv6-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Re: LDP over Ipv6
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 05:36:13PM +0200, Isacco Fontana wrote:
>> Do you think we can start discussion with big vendors (Cisco/Juniper) ?
>
> Of course.  Go to your vendor, tell him "we are not going to buy your
> gear if you are not shipping LDP-over-IPv6"!
>
> If you're waving with enough money, they might even listen.  But as long
> as everybody is just grumbling to himself, the vendors might truthfully
> say "noone has asked yet".
>
> Gert
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> From: Mark Tinka <mtinka at globaltransit.net>
> Reply-To: mtinka at globaltransit.net
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> To: Isacco Fontana <isacco.fontana at trentinonetwork.it>
> Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Re: LDP over Ipv6
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:08:11 +0800
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> On Monday 07 September 2009 11:36:13 pm Isacco Fontana=20
> wrote:
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>> Do you think we can start discussion with big vendors
>> (Cisco/Juniper) ?
>
> Gert is right, the more we "collectively" speak to our=20
> vendors, the quicker they will likely implement the=20
> technology (it's not new, it's already been documented).
>
> =46or instance, I've been pushing Cisco and Juniper for an=20
> MPLS control plane for v6 for nearly 2 years now, but this=20
> isn't enough. Vendors tend to listen if:
>
> a) there is a collective.
>
> or
>
> b) as Gert and myself have already mentioned, you're waving
>    wads of cash their way.
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> Cheers,
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> Mark.
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