From pasquini at vatican.va Mon May 1 01:16:10 2006 From: pasquini at vatican.va (Stefano Pasquini) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:16:10 +0200 Subject: [ipv6-wg] The Pope gets IPv6 PA space (not PI :) In-Reply-To: <20060430173153.GK60910@Space.Net> Message-ID: Hi, Il 30-04-2006 19:31, "Gert Doering" ha scritto: > Hi, > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 03:20:24PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> inet6num: 2a01:b8::/32 >>> netname: VA-VATICAN-20060418 >>> descr: Holy See - Vatican City State >>> country: VA >>> >>> So now that IPv6 is officially blessed go deploy it :) >> >> How are they going to fullfil the requirements of the "200 /48 >> assignments to other organisations" rule? > > I'm sure there are 200 different organizations inside the Vatican. > Of course, more than 200... In the world 1.098.366.000 are Catholics (2004) The Holy See has Diplomatic Relations with 174 States (2003) and more... Only for Florian info... please visit: http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/corpo-dip lomatico_index_en.html http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/docs_index_en.htm http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/sp_ss_scv /informazione_generale/sp_ss_scv_info-generale_en.html Many thanks Stefano Pasquini _________________________ Dr. Stefano Pasquini Internet Office of the Holy See Cortile del Triangolo V-00120 Vatican City Vatican City State Email: pasquini at vatican.va Web: http://www.vatican.va From david.conrad at icann.org Mon May 1 03:40:11 2006 From: david.conrad at icann.org (David Conrad) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 04:40:11 +0300 Subject: [ipv6-wg] The Pope gets IPv6 PA space (not PI :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90B090BC-0000-438A-89BF-2A9AB30CF16F@icann.org> Hi, On May 1, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Stefano Pasquini wrote: >> I'm sure there are 200 different organizations inside the Vatican. > Of course, more than 200... > In the world 1.098.366.000 are Catholics (2004) The Holy See is going to provide IPv6 connectivity to 1.098.366.000 Catholics? > The Holy See has Diplomatic Relations with 174 States (2003) > and more... Mostly irrelevant ("mostly" because if the Holy See is going to provide IPv6 connectivity interconnecting their missions to those states, an ISP delegation might make sense). The question is how many _interior networks_, not people or states, is the Internet Service Provider operated by the Holy See going to interconnect? Rgds, -drc (who has has seen the justification "there are more than 1 billion people" once too often) From fw at deneb.enyo.de Mon May 1 11:25:24 2006 From: fw at deneb.enyo.de (Florian Weimer) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:25:24 +0200 Subject: [ipv6-wg] The Pope gets IPv6 PA space (not PI :) In-Reply-To: (Stefano Pasquini's message of "Mon, 01 May 2006 01:16:10 +0200") References: Message-ID: <87bquiumez.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> * Stefano Pasquini: >> I'm sure there are 200 different organizations inside the Vatican. >> > Of course, more than 200... And you've got a plan to hand out IPv4 address assignments to them, sure. Please don't take this personally, it isn't. I believe that everybody should be entitled to his own independently routeable IPv6 prefix, no questions asked. It appears as if we are already close to that in practice (as far as LIRs are concerned). The official policy just doesn't reflect it. From dr at cluenet.de Mon May 1 14:52:06 2006 From: dr at cluenet.de (Daniel Roesen) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:52:06 +0200 Subject: [ipv6-wg] Re: The Pope gets IPv6 PA space (not PI :) In-Reply-To: <87zmi3kxnr.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> References: <1145431710.17463.2.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <87zmi3kxnr.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Message-ID: <20060501125206.GA9239@srv01.cluenet.de> On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 03:20:24PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > How are they going to fullfil the requirements of the "200 /48 > assignments to other organisations" rule? The rule is "planning to provide within two years", not "must provide within two years". There's nothing to enforce. People plan a lot of things, and a lot of plans don't work out. :-) Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr at cluenet.de -- dr at IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 From gert at space.net Mon May 1 16:50:08 2006 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:50:08 +0200 Subject: [ipv6-wg] The Pope gets IPv6 PA space (not PI :) In-Reply-To: <87slnu4vg8.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> References: <1145431710.17463.2.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <87zmi3kxnr.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20060430173153.GK60910@Space.Net> <87slnu4vg8.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Message-ID: <20060501145008.GN60910@Space.Net> Hi, On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 11:14:47PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> By the way, what happened to 2003::/19? A /19 for just a few dozen > >> /48s? > > > > I'm not sure what you smoked today, but it must have been something > > funny. Who claims that the /19 is "for a few dozen /48s"? > > The RIPE WHOIS server does. Well, they still have got a year to carry > out their promised business plan involving 200 assignments. Well, you might have noticed the ongoing discussion about the usefulness (and the legality) of putting residential end-user's data into the RIPE DB. The relevant document (ripe-267) actually doesn't mandate to use the *RIPE DB* for registration - it mandates ------------ snip ----------- 3.3. Registration Internet address space must be registered in a registry database accessible to appropriate members of the Internet community. This is necessary to ensure the uniqueness of each Internet address and to provide reference information for Internet troubleshooting at all levels, ranging from all RIRs and IRs to End Users. The goal of registration should be applied within the context of reasonable privacy considerations and applicable laws. ------------ snip ----------- so most people seem to agree that it's valid to put "this / is for residential users, if there is anything wrong, please contact our abuse desk, telephon number 12345" into the database (and produce more detailed documentation to the RIPE NCC if you ask for more space). > > In the short run maybe, but that's not the goal anyway. > > Huh? The goal is 200 assignments within two years. No, this is one of the criteria to get address space *at all* (have a *plan* for 200 customers - which is reasonable to assume if you're rolling out IPv6 and have a customer base of some million users). For larger allocations than a /32, of course the plan is to give IPv6 addresses to a significantly larger number of end sites - so that a /32 would not be large enough. > If it were strictly enforced, LIRs would simply assign prefixes to their > employees (and if there aren't enough, to their pets), but this is > probably not in the spirit of that rule. > > To me, this just illustrates that LIRs are as good as end users when > it comes to responsibility for global resource consumption. The main difference (to spoil your pet peeve) is that for a LIR, it's very likely that you'll see "one prefix in the routing table for many organizations", while for an end user you'll see "one prefix per end user". Which supposedly makes a difference. (NB: basing this whole "I want to bash someone!" thread on a */19*, which requires fairly thorough justification, seems really farfetched to me) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 92315 SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster at Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 D- 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-234 From b.buxton at kpn-is.nl Mon May 1 10:25:40 2006 From: b.buxton at kpn-is.nl (Ben Buxton) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:25:40 +0200 Subject: [ipv6-wg] The Pope gets IPv6 PA space (not PI :) In-Reply-To: <90B090BC-0000-438A-89BF-2A9AB30CF16F@icann.org> References: <90B090BC-0000-438A-89BF-2A9AB30CF16F@icann.org> Message-ID: <4455C604.4010400@kpn-is.nl> > > Mostly irrelevant ("mostly" because if the Holy See is going to provide > IPv6 connectivity interconnecting their missions to those states, an ISP > delegation might make sense). > > The question is how many _interior networks_, not people or states, is > the Internet Service Provider operated by the Holy See going to > interconnect? I would have thought that an independent state should have the right to receive at least one PI prefix allocation. The thought of one's country being entirely dependent on receiving its entire space from a (most likely) commercial organisation in another country is not very appealing. Imagine if your country could only get its connectivity from another country, and "diplomatic issues" with that country caused your connection to become unreliable. Whether or not the Vatican can fulfil these requirements, I'd say that every state should have a right to at least one independently routable prefix (both v4 and v6) BB > Rgds, > -drc > (who has has seen the justification "there are more than 1 billion > people" once too often) > From mvyskocil at highway.telekom.at Thu May 4 13:53:54 2006 From: mvyskocil at highway.telekom.at (Martin Vyskocil) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:53:54 +0200 Subject: [ipv6-wg] FYI: Personal invitation to attend the Conference: "Convergence: New Opportunities for Accelerating the IPv6 Momentum" Message-ID: Dear All, please find below the inventation to the Converence "Convergence: New Opportunities for Accelerating the IPv6 Momentum" on 1-2 June, 2006 in Vienna, Austria > The Event is organised by the European Commission and is sponsored and hosted > by Telekom Austria under the auspices of the Austrian Presidency and with the > support of the European IPv6 Task Force. Aganda and registration is on the conference webpage regards Martin Vyskocil ---------------------------- Martin VYSKOCIL Telekom Austria AG PTM/DW/TRADAT VM404-RIPE Von: Susannah.SOCHALL at ext.cec.eu.int Gesendet: Dienstag, 02. Mai 2006 11:16 An: INFSO-RI-IPV6PRESIDENCYCONFERENCE at cec.eu.int Cc: Jean-Luc.DOREL at cec.eu.int Betreff: Personal invitation to attend the Conference: "Convergence: New Opportunities for Accelerating the IPv6 Momentum" Dear Colleague I am writing to you to invite you to attend a Conference on 1-2 June, 2006 in Vienna, Austria - entitled "Convergence: New Opportunities for Accelerating the IPv6 Momentum". The Event is organised by the European Commission and is sponsored and hosted by Telekom Austria under the auspices of the Austrian Presidency and with the support of the European IPv6 Task Force. After years of investment in the technology of IPv6 it is time to consider business aspects of its deployment. One of the highlights of the event will be the presentation of concrete IPv6 applications in various sectors, such as Automotive, Aeronautics, Defence, Research Networks, Media, and Consumer. At a time where Convergence is occurring both in the fix-mobile domain and in the Voice/Data/Video domain, this event will be the place where experts from industry will comment on the impact of this movement on IPv6 deployments. This conference will also be an occasion to learn about successful experiences in IPv6 convergence in China, Japan, South Africa, South Korea and the US. The event will be honoured by two keynote speakers: Brian Carpenter, Chairman of the IETF and Hiroshi Esaki, a pionneer of the Internet in Japan. A Gala dinner will take place at the prestigious Hofburg Palace on Thursday, June 1. We would very much welcome your participation and your contribution to the discussions during the event. Attendance to this event as well as to the Gala dinner is by invitation only. Please consider this as an official invitation from the IPv6 Convergence Organisation Committee. The Event has a limited number of seats, therefore the Organisation Committee kindly asks you to confirm you participation via the web site: http://www.ipv6-convergence-vienna.net/ Also, due to the high tourist season, it is important that you book your hotel in advance. A hotel list is available on the web, you are kindly invited to register by yourself. For further information, please contact me. Yours sincerely, Jean-Luc Dorel On behalf of the IPv6 Convergence Event Organisation Committee From david.conrad at icann.org Thu May 4 02:59:43 2006 From: david.conrad at icann.org (David Conrad) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:59:43 -0400 Subject: [ipv6-wg] The Pope gets IPv6 PA space (not PI :) In-Reply-To: <4455C604.4010400@kpn-is.nl> References: <90B090BC-0000-438A-89BF-2A9AB30CF16F@icann.org> <4455C604.4010400@kpn-is.nl> Message-ID: <24B71445-295A-4792-9F14-4C754E46B66A@icann.org> Ben, This would appear to be yet another instantiation of the geo- political vs. network topological addressing argument. > I would have thought that an independent state should have the > right to receive at least one PI prefix allocation. Independent states don't need address space. Really. Devices on state or independently owned and operated networks within and between independent states do. At least for Internet connectivity. > The thought of one's country being entirely dependent on receiving > its entire space from a (most likely) commercial organisation in > another country is not very appealing. Grant a country PI space and the easiest way to deal with routing that space is to have a country-wide monopoly on telecommunication services. Not particularly appealing to me, but some folks (in particular, the prospective monopoly) might prefer this approach. > Imagine if your country could only get its connectivity from > another country, and "diplomatic issues" with that country caused > your connection to become unreliable. In general, I imagine governments tend to take a somewhat dim view of basing critical infrastructure on external parties. More realistically, a country will have a telecommunications infrastructure they, by law, control over which services (such as the Internet) run. Whether there is a single PTT building/using that infrastructure or multiple carriers is a toss up (though the tendency has been towards the latter). However, in either case, ISPs (domestic or foreign) use that infrastructure to provide their services. In my personal view, allocating address space on geo-political boundaries is either throwing address space away (because it isn't routed) or contributing to The Greater Swamp (because it is and the only way it can be is if it is in the DFZ). Rgds, -drc From leo at ripe.net Wed May 31 14:36:03 2006 From: leo at ripe.net (leo vegoda) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:36:03 +0200 Subject: [ipv6-wg] New ROUTE-SET and RIPE document: Address Space Managed by the RIPE NCC Message-ID: <447D8DB3.4010102@ripe.net> [Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, We have updated the RIPE document "Address Space Managed by the RIPE NCC" to include references to a ROUTE-SET object describing the address space allocated to the RIPE NCC by the IANA. The new version is ripe-380 and can be found on our web site at: https://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-ncc-managed-address-space.html We hope the ROUTE-SET object is useful. Kind regards, -- leo vegoda Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC