[ipv6-wg at ripe.net] Re: [db-wg] Re: Re: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE 50 Report

Daniel,

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 09:22:53PM +0200, Daniel Roesen wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Shane Kerr wrote:
> > >>IPV6 WORKING GROUP
> > >>
> > >>- It was decided that the RIPE Whois Database will continue to include more 
> > >>services that run in native IPv6.
> > >
> > >Hm?
> > >  
> > Right now the Whois server answers queries through a proxy. The server
> > will answer IPv6 itself, and the proxy terminated.
> > 
> > Also, there is no IPv6 mirroring facility. This will be added.
> 
> Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. This makes (much) sense. :-)

Despite this explanation, I still don't understand how this can make
any sense. We as the working group have no authority to tell the RIPE
NCC what to do or not to do. At best we can recommend to the RIPE NCC
to take a certain approach and this approach will in general be
followed if there is no/little funding required, or otherwise, *if*
the RIPE NCC membership agrees on funding such work.

In addition, we did not in any way make such a recommendation. We
discussed the issue and some people expressed their opinion that we
want more than just a proxy service but we did not formally adopted a
recommendation (since nobody asked to formally adopt such a
recommendation). 

I am personally glad to hear that the RIPE NCC decided to make the
mirroring service available in ipv6 though! Also, I appreciate that we
don't have to formally adopt such recommendations as I think it makes
for a much better working relationship where the RIPE NCC takes the
initiative and picks up on ideas and discussions that happen in the
working group without having to formally request the RIPE NCC to do so
(policy issues are obviously a completely different matter!). 

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 09:22:53PM +0200, Daniel Roesen wrote:
> 
> > - It was noted that the IPv6 Working Group needs to decide where it
> > - wishes
> > to house the new, operational IPv6 mailing list.
> 
> What are you talking about here? What "new, operational IPv6 mailing
> list" are you referring to? What has the RIPE IPv6 Working Group to do
> with it?

Again, the working group didn't decide this. It was brought up that a
new mailing list was formed and we received several comments on this
topic. Among others that it might not be ideal to have such a list
being run by an enthiustic individual as it is important to keep
mailarchives preserved even if the individual moves on to pursue other
interests. However, this was a comment from the audience, not a
decision by the working group.

In relation to this topic, I just noticed that the working group
website page now mentions:

> There is also a global mailing list (not regional RIR/NOG) dedicated
> to operational matters of the global IPv6 (production, not 6BONE)
> Internet at:
> 
> http://lists.cluenet.de/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-ops/
> 
> If you are taking part in IPv6 BGP or are interested in global IPv6
> operational matters, please join the list. The purpose is to foster
> exchange of experience and resolve problems which require non-local
> coordination. The list is also available to discuss problems people
> face while deploying IPv6.

I did not request the RIPE NCC to put this information on the website
neither did the working endorse this mailing list in any form or way.

David Kessens
ipv6 wg chair
---