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< Time: 14:00 - 16:30
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> Time: 14:00 - 15:30
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< ACTION ITEM: ENUM-AP-61.1 - Niall O'Reilly, Carsten Schiefner, Peter Koch - Clarify point from RIPE 60 minutes.
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> ACTION ITEM ENUM-AP-61.1: Niall O'Reilly, Carsten Schiefner and Peter Koch to clarify point from RIPE 60 minutes.
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< Carsten Schiefner from DeNIC and ENUM WG co-chair, asked where the notion comes from that the requirement is there for central number portability database. He said he hasn't heard of an EC requirement.
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> Carsten Schiefner from DENIC and ENUM WG co-chair, asked where the notion comes from that the requirement is there for a central number portability database. He said he hasn't heard of any European Union requirement.
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< Carsten asked how Rodrigue managed to get +8835100 in the global PSTN routing space because from what he heard from his Austrian peers, it was really difficult to get 720 and 780 number space routed everywhere.
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> Carsten asked how Rodrigue managed to get the +883 5100 number space into the global PSTN routing space because from what he heard from his Austrian peers, it was really difficult to get the Austrian +43 720 and 780 number space routed everywhere.
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< Carsten asked if the interim procedures for 883 were made up only when they requested it or if they were there before when the number space was created.
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> Carsten asked if the interim procedures for the +883 number space were made up only when they requested it or if they were there before when the number space was created.
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< Klaus Darilion from nic.at commented that Google Voice is popular because it offers free calls in to PSTN, not because it uses phone numbers for the addressing. He asked Rodrigue if he puts the numbers registered by his customers in the pubic ENUM tree and if it was really a public view.
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> Klaus Darilion from nic.at commented that Google Voice is popular because it offers free calls to the PSTN, not because it uses phone numbers for the addressing. He asked Rodrigue if he puts the numbers registered by his customers in the pubic ENUM tree and if it was really a public view.
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< Klaus then commented that it's only a closed trial only for Rodrigue's customers and they have the delegations in your ENUM but they always point to his SIP proxy. So, there is no information inside ENUM, it's always the same. The customer can always forward the call directly to their session for the controller and that he already does the routing internally, so there is no benefit in using ENUM. He added that maybe the old telcos want that, and maybe they're afraid to be openly connected. He said it looked a bit strange to him.
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> Klaus then commented that it's only a closed trial only for Rodrigue's customers and they have the delegations in the ENUM tree but they always point to his SIP proxy. So, there is no information inside ENUM, it's always the same. The customer can always forward the call directly to their session for the controller and that he already does the routing internally, so there is no benefit in using ENUM. He added that maybe the old telcos want that, and maybe they're afraid to be openly connected. He said it looked a bit strange to him.
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< Rodrigue replied that you could send it directly to the SIP proxy. He added that they add another way to know where the destination is by making an ENUM query and that before this was not possible. He clarified that when he says it's "closed", he means that only providers can get delegation. Everyone in the world can connect to our numbers, before it was completely closed. Now only allocation is private, calls are open.
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> Rodrigue replied that you could send it directly to the SIP proxy. He added that they add another way to know where the destination is by making an ENUM query and that before this was not possible. He clarified that when he says it's "closed", he means that only providers can get a delegation. Everyone in the world can connect to their numbers, before it was completely closed. Now only allocation is private, calls are open.
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< Klaus said he wondered if Rodrigue's customers are interested in 883, and that everyone wants a geographic phone number in Austria. The VOIP providers are only allowed 720 and 780 numbers, and they are very expensive from some networks so no one wants it. They don't know how much it costs so everyone is afraid to call.
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> Klaus said he wondered if Rodrigue's customers are interested in the +883 number space, and that everyone wants a geographic phone number in Austria. The VoIP providers are only allowed +43 720 and 780 numbers, and they are very expensive from some networks to call so no one wants it. They don't know how much it costs so everyone is afraid to call.
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< Rodrigue replied that the goal is not to create a new number to replace their number with 883, that it's more to try to innovate on new services and create free reachability. He added that outside of that group, there's a fee that can be very high. He said he sees it more as an R&D concept and that the main interest belongs in the VOIP providers that contact each other not via the PSTN.
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> Rodrigue replied that the goal is not to create a new number to replace their number with +883, that it's more to try to innovate on new services and create free reachability. He added that outside of that group, there's a fee that can be very high. He said he sees it more as an R&D concept and that the main interest belongs in the VoIP providers that contact each other not via the PSTN.
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< Klaus replied that Austrians aren't interested in VOIP because mobile is so cheap, but it was popular in Germany. He added that service providers like the idea of open connectivity, but there is not really a business case for it.
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> Klaus replied that Austrians aren't interested in VoIP because mobile is so cheap, but it was popular in Germany. He added that service providers like the idea of open connectivity, but there is not really a business case for it.
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< Klaus Darilion from nic.at asked if they make delegations to customer name servers or if they stored them directly in the tier 1 name server.
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> Klaus Darilion from nic.at asked if they make delegations to customer name servers or if they stored them directly in the Tier 1 name server.
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< No questions
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> No questions.
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< Klaus said that he knows of some other trees where it is easy to enter and that one day they had a delegation in one of those trees, and in another tree there was an entry for 0800. He added that other companies also provided free routing to free numbers. They could record calls, etc. So he only queries e164.arpa now.
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> Klaus said that he knows of some other trees where it is easy to enter and that one day they had a delegation in one of those trees, and in another tree there was an entry for 0800 numbers. He added that other companies also provided free routing to free numbers. They could record calls, etc. So he only queries e164.arpa now.
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< ACTION ITEM 61.2 - Carsten Schiefner - Get more information on NRENUM.
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> ACTION ITEM ENUM-AP-61.2: Carsten Schiefner to get more information on NRENUM.
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< No questions
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> No questions.
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< Placeholder for 'G': nothing planned this time
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> Placeholder for 'G': nothing planned this time.
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< what was holding the group back, and that they talk but don't do anything. He added that there was no collaboration or open and honest discussion about what is wrong. He said  something needed to be done, and nothing has happened since 2005 or 2006.
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> what was holding the group back, and that they talk but don't do anything. He added that there was no collaboration or open and honest discussion about what is wrong. He said something needed to be done, and nothing has happened since 2005 or 2006.
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< Niall O'Reilly asked if Denesh wanted this as an action item and work with C&N to make it happen.
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> Niall O'Reilly asked if Denesh wanted this as an action item and work with Carsten and Niall to make it happen.
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< ACTION POINT ITEM 61.3 - Denesh Bhabuta: Organise a panel
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> ACTION ITEM ENUM-AP-61.3: Denesh Bhabuta to organise a panel.
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< Action Item: ENUM-AP-61.1 - Niall O'Rielly, Carsten Schiefner and Peter Koch to clarify point from RIPE 61 minutes.
< Action Item: ENUM-AP-61.2 - Carsten Schiefner to get more information on NRENUM.
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> Action Item ENUM-AP-61.1: Niall O'Reilly, Carsten Schiefner and Peter Koch to clarify point from RIPE 60 minutes.
> Action Item ENUM-AP-61.2: Carsten Schiefner to get more information on NRENUM.
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< Action Item: ENUM-AP-61.3 - Denesh Bhabuta to organise a panel.
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> Action Item ENUM-AP-61.3: Denesh Bhabuta to organise a panel.