From peter at gradwell.com Tue Nov 12 18:01:24 2013 From: peter at gradwell.com (Peter Gradwell) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [enum-wg] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod> LinkedIn ------------ RIPE, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Peter Peter Gradwell Trustee at Nominet Trust Bath, United Kingdom Confirm that you know Peter Gradwell: https://www.linkedin.com/e/24djgf-hnxe025v-4a/isd/17994029382/VYLE7HIo/?hs=false&tok=14z0NaEmAt2C01 -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/24djgf-hnxe025v-4a/X-Hlf3A9WrmhZFV8rqzlROosqLx/goo/enum-wg%40ripe%2Enet/20061/I5920196672_1/?hs=false&tok=2qCQ2N-t0t2C01 (c) 2012 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Peter Gradwell Subject: [enum-wg] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Size: 21266 URL: From michele at blacknight.com Wed Nov 13 10:22:02 2013 From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:22:02 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: Carsten So is the WG a "person" or not? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________________ From: enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net [enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net] on behalf of Carsten Schiefner [enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de] Sent: 13 November 2013 08:55 To: RIPE ENUM WG Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn All - I believe we should have a brief discussion at least to see a tendency whether or not this WG should join Peter's network at LinkedIn. So could I solicit comments, please? ;-) Best, Carsten Schiefner Co-Chair of the (dormant) RIPE ENUM WG From cdel at firsthand.net Wed Nov 13 10:51:54 2013 From: cdel at firsthand.net (Christian de Larrinaga) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:51:54 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: <52834BBA.4010004@firsthand.net> Carsten Who needs Linked in spam when Peter can reach us on ENUM ;-) Christian > Michele Neylon - Blacknight > 13 November 2013 09:22 > Carsten > > So is the WG a "person" or not? > > Regards > > Michele > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting & Colocation, Domains > http://www.blacknight.co/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://www.technology.ie > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Locall: 1850 929 929 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > ________________________________________ > From: enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net [enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net] on behalf of > Carsten Schiefner [enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de] > Sent: 13 November 2013 08:55 > To: RIPE ENUM WG > Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > > All - > > I believe we should have a brief discussion at least to see a tendency > whether or not this WG should join Peter's network at LinkedIn. > > So could I solicit comments, please? > > ;-) > > Best, > > Carsten Schiefner > Co-Chair of the (dormant) RIPE ENUM WG > From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Wed Nov 13 10:56:23 2013 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:56:23 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <52833E8D.4010206@schiefner.de> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod> <52833E8D.4010206@schiefner.de> Message-ID: <2498C496-56D0-4566-AA20-6DB31972DD65@gmail.com> And then Google+ and then Facebook? ;-) Or was this just an automatic invite following address book sharing? I think that if Peter was specifically inviting the WG he would have changed the invite text. Gordon On 13 Nov, 2013, at 09:55, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > All - > > I believe we should have a brief discussion at least to see a tendency whether or not this WG should join Peter's network at LinkedIn. > > So could I solicit comments, please? > > ;-) > > Best, > > Carsten Schiefner > Co-Chair of the (dormant) RIPE ENUM WG > <[enum-wg] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn.eml> From niall.oreilly at ucd.ie Wed Nov 13 12:18:34 2013 From: niall.oreilly at ucd.ie (Niall O'Reilly) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:18:34 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <52833E8D.4010206@schiefner.de> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod> <52833E8D.4010206@schiefner.de> Message-ID: On 13 Nov 2013, at 08:55, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > I believe we should have a brief discussion at least to see a tendency whether or not this WG should join Peter's network at LinkedIn. [Co-Chair hat OFF] Absolutely not: it would coerce non-consenting subscribers to the WG list. Individuals who wish to join Peter's network at LinkedIn are of course free and welcome to do so. Best regards, Niall From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Wed Nov 13 14:05:12 2013 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:05:12 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: <52837908.1090007@schiefner.de> Michele - On 13.11.2013 10:22, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > So is the WG a "person" or not? this is an excellent question that AFAIK never got asked so far. So maybe firstly, the WG chairs collective might want to form an opinion about this? That beside: would it make a difference to you in making the decision if the WG should join or not? ;-) Best, -C. From michele at blacknight.com Wed Nov 13 14:19:15 2013 From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:19:15 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:05, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > Michele - > > On 13.11.2013 10:22, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> So is the WG a "person" or not? > > this is an excellent question that AFAIK never got asked so far. So maybe firstly, the WG chairs collective might want to form an opinion about this? > > That beside: would it make a difference to you in making the decision if the WG should join or not? Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what does that makes its members? > > ;-) > > Best, > > -C. > Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ? Hosting & Domains ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Wed Nov 13 14:30:19 2013 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:30:19 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) On 13.11.2013 14:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what > does that makes its members? From michele at blacknight.com Wed Nov 13 14:31:41 2013 From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:31:41 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <20131113133040.84EC559C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> , <20131113133040.84EC559C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: as long as there's liquid refreshment at the meetings :) -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________________ From: Carsten Schiefner [enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de] Sent: 13 November 2013 13:30 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight Cc: RIPE ENUM WG Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) On 13.11.2013 14:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what > does that makes its members? From rick at openfortress.nl Wed Nov 13 14:27:22 2013 From: rick at openfortress.nl (Rick van Rein) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:27:22 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] Multiple: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod> <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: <20131113132721.GC15992@vanrein.org> Hi, > So is the WG a "person" or not? ...and does it have the (legal,ethical) right to upload contact lists to an NSA-pod without agreement from the contained address holders?!? -Rick From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Wed Nov 13 14:37:48 2013 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:37:48 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> , <20131113133040.84EC559C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> Message-ID: <528380AC.9070100@schiefner.de> That BoF does already exist for years, Michele - as you are well aware. :-) On 13.11.2013 14:31, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > as long as there's liquid refreshment at the meetings :) From jim at rfc1035.com Wed Nov 13 14:40:03 2013 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:40:03 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> Message-ID: <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-) From sander at steffann.nl Wed Nov 13 16:24:34 2013 From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:24:34 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> Message-ID: Hi, Op 13 nov. 2013, om 14:40 heeft Jim Reid het volgende geschreven: > On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > >> Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) > > Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-) Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-) Cheers, Sander From Alex.Hardie at nominum.com Wed Nov 13 16:58:38 2013 From: Alex.Hardie at nominum.com (Alex Hardie) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:58:38 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] enum-wg Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ADF2C9D-024D-475D-A378-E4BE41B089FB@nominum.com> >From my perspective ENUM WG is a valuable resource... Now more than ever as voice moves from a network resource to an application resource. alex hardie | sales director | +1 404 229 7635 | alex.hardie at nominum.com | www.nominum.com > On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "enum-wg-request at ripe.net" wrote: > > Send enum-wg mailing list submissions to > enum-wg at ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/enum-wg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > enum-wg-request at ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > enum-wg-owner at ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of enum-wg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Niall O'Reilly) > 2. Re: Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Carsten Schiefner) > 3. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) > 4. Re: Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Carsten Schiefner) > 5. Re: Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) > 6. Re: Multiple: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Rick van Rein) > 7. Re: Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Carsten Schiefner) > 8. insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header (Jim Reid) > 9. Re: insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header > (Sander Steffann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:18:34 +0000 > From: "Niall O'Reilly" > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: RIPE ENUM WG > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >> On 13 Nov 2013, at 08:55, Carsten Schiefner wrote: >> >> I believe we should have a brief discussion at least to see a tendency whether or not this WG should join Peter's network at LinkedIn. > > [Co-Chair hat OFF] > > Absolutely not: it would coerce non-consenting subscribers to the WG list. > Individuals who wish to join Peter's network at LinkedIn are of course > free and welcome to do so. > > Best regards, > Niall > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:05:12 +0100 > From: Carsten Schiefner > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight , RIPE ENUM > WG > Message-ID: <52837908.1090007 at schiefner.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Michele - > >> On 13.11.2013 10:22, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> So is the WG a "person" or not? > > this is an excellent question that AFAIK never got asked so far. So > maybe firstly, the WG chairs collective might want to form an opinion > about this? > > That beside: would it make a difference to you in making the decision if > the WG should join or not? > > ;-) > > Best, > > -C. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:19:15 +0000 > From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: Carsten Schiefner > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:05, Carsten Schiefner wrote: >> >> Michele - >> >>> On 13.11.2013 10:22, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >>> So is the WG a "person" or not? >> >> this is an excellent question that AFAIK never got asked so far. So maybe firstly, the WG chairs collective might want to form an opinion about this? >> >> That beside: would it make a difference to you in making the decision if the WG should join or not? > > Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what does that makes its members? > > > >> >> ;-) >> >> Best, >> >> -C. > > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions ? > Hosting & Domains > ICANN Accredited Registrar > http://www.blacknight.co > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > US: 213-233-1612 > Locall: 1850 929 929 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight > Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:30:19 +0100 > From: Carsten Schiefner > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG > Message-ID: <52837EEB.40109 at schiefner.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) > >> On 13.11.2013 14:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what >> does that makes its members? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:31:41 +0000 > From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: Carsten Schiefner > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > as long as there's liquid refreshment at the meetings :) > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting & Colocation, Domains > http://www.blacknight.co/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://www.technology.ie > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Locall: 1850 929 929 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > ________________________________________ > From: Carsten Schiefner [enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de] > Sent: 13 November 2013 13:30 > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > > Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) > >> On 13.11.2013 14:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what >> does that makes its members? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:27:22 +0000 > From: Rick van Rein > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Multiple: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: RIPE ENUM WG > Message-ID: <20131113132721.GC15992 at vanrein.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > >> So is the WG a "person" or not? > > ...and does it have the (legal,ethical) right to upload contact lists to an NSA-pod without agreement from the contained address holders?!? > > -Rick > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:37:48 +0100 > From: Carsten Schiefner > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG > Message-ID: <528380AC.9070100 at schiefner.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > That BoF does already exist for years, Michele - as you are well aware. :-) > >> On 13.11.2013 14:31, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> as long as there's liquid refreshment at the meetings :) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:40:03 +0000 > From: Jim Reid > Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header > To: Carsten Schiefner > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG , Michele Neylon - Blacknight > > Message-ID: <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE at rfc1035.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Carsten Schiefner wrote: >> >> Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) > > Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:24:34 +0100 > From: Sander Steffann > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject > header > To: Jim Reid > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG , Carsten Schiefner > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > >> Op 13 nov. 2013, om 14:40 heeft Jim Reid het volgende geschreven: >> >>> On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Carsten Schiefner wrote: >>> >>> Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) >> >> Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-) > > Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-) > > Cheers, > Sander > > > > > End of enum-wg Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 > ************************************** From shopik at inblock.ru Wed Nov 13 17:16:04 2013 From: shopik at inblock.ru (Nikolay Shopik) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:16:04 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> Message-ID: <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote: > Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-) Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;). >From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are using closed ENUM. From richard at shockey.us Wed Nov 13 18:55:02 2013 From: richard at shockey.us (Richard Shockey) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:55:02 -0500 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> Message-ID: <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed system if for M-LNP. Who BTW is running the RU system? -----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nikolay Shopik Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:16 AM To: Sander Steffann Cc: RIPE ENUM WG Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote: > Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-) Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;). >From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are using closed ENUM. From shopik at inblock.ru Wed Nov 13 19:25:18 2013 From: shopik at inblock.ru (Nikolay Shopik) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:25:18 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> Message-ID: <5283C40E.9070908@inblock.ru> Software based on these guys http://www.numlex.com/ http://tcinet.ru/en/ - was suppose to run infrastructure, and they develop their own software for it but for political reasons government ditched it. And ZNIIS came in. On 13.11.2013 21:55, Richard Shockey wrote: > Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed > system if for M-LNP. > > > Who BTW is running the RU system? From dburk at burkov.aha.ru Wed Nov 13 19:44:47 2013 From: dburk at burkov.aha.ru (Dmitry Burkov) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:44:47 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <5283C40E.9070908@inblock.ru> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> <5283C40E.9070908@inblock.ru> Message-ID: On 13 Nov 2013, at 22:25, Nikolay Shopik wrote: > Software based on these guys http://www.numlex.com/ > > http://tcinet.ru/en/ - was suppose to run infrastructure, and they > develop their own software for it but for political reasons government > ditched it. And ZNIIS came in. :) no political reasons - Ministry lobbied ccTLD without tender and was criticized. Government (first VP responsible for the industry) discussed the situation with largest operators and they prefer traditional legacy player - state owned enterprise. In my opinion - if ccTLD will lead MNP project it could break the whole self-governance system in DNS. > > On 13.11.2013 21:55, Richard Shockey wrote: >> Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed >> system if for M-LNP. >> >> >> Who BTW is running the RU system? > From richard at shockey.us Wed Nov 13 19:47:34 2013 From: richard at shockey.us (Richard Shockey) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:47:34 -0500 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> Message-ID: <016701cee0a0$d1aa4830$74fed890$@shockey.us> Hey thanks for the info! Good to hear sounds like a great cost effective solution. The carriers in the US have always cached the NANP LNP data in localized ENUM boxes, typically from NetNumber. BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all IP [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone including the mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and Public Key Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the INVITE to validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc. It's an old rule of technology .. Once the hype stops .. it's a sure sign A. the technology is dead or B. Its fully deploying. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Dmitry Burkov [mailto:dburk at burkov.aha.ru] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:16 PM To: Richard Shockey Cc: Nikolay Shopik; Sander Steffann; RIPE ENUM WG Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header The solution will be provided by Mediafon http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-solution-860.html Operator - ZNIIS - Central institute for research in telecommunications http://www.zniis.ru/bdpn/documents It is about MNP But it was already deployed http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-experience-862.html Dmitry On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:55, Richard Shockey wrote: > Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed > system if for M-LNP. > > > Who BTW is running the RU system? > > -----Original Message----- > From: enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf > Of Nikolay Shopik > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:16 AM > To: Sander Steffann > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header > > On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote: >> Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there > has been in years! ;-) > > Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;). > >> From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are > using closed ENUM. > > From dburk at burkov.aha.ru Wed Nov 13 19:16:00 2013 From: dburk at burkov.aha.ru (Dmitry Burkov) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:16:00 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> Message-ID: The solution will be provided by Mediafon http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-solution-860.html Operator - ZNIIS - Central institute for research in telecommunications http://www.zniis.ru/bdpn/documents It is about MNP But it was already deployed http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-experience-862.html Dmitry On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:55, Richard Shockey wrote: > Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed > system if for M-LNP. > > > Who BTW is running the RU system? > > -----Original Message----- > From: enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf > Of Nikolay Shopik > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:16 AM > To: Sander Steffann > Cc: RIPE ENUM WG > Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header > > On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote: >> Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there > has been in years! ;-) > > Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;). > >> From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are > using closed ENUM. > > From shopik at inblock.ru Wed Nov 13 20:25:01 2013 From: shopik at inblock.ru (Nikolay Shopik) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:25:01 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> <5283C40E.9070908@inblock.ru> Message-ID: <5283D20D.2040900@inblock.ru> On 13.11.2013 22:44, Dmitry Burkov wrote: > In my opinion - if ccTLD will lead MNP project it could break the whole self-governance system in DNS. I highly doubt, but I get your point, not everyone happy with ccTLD here. Its just doesn't matter who run DNS ENUM if its closed. And only mobile operators need it for now. From shopik at inblock.ru Wed Nov 13 20:32:50 2013 From: shopik at inblock.ru (Nikolay Shopik) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:32:50 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <016701cee0a0$d1aa4830$74fed890$@shockey.us> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> <016701cee0a0$d1aa4830$74fed890$@shockey.us> Message-ID: <5283D3E2.4020405@inblock.ru> On 13.11.2013 22:47, Richard Shockey wrote: > BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all IP > [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone including the > mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and Public Key > Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the INVITE to > validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc. We are lagging behind, for like 5-7 years. MNP only apply to mobile operators, local operators will still using TDM/SS7 and nowhere plan to junk their stuff. That's probably because our FSB didn't come up with new wiretapping technology for SIP/IMS yet. So they still need TDM to wiretap calls. SIP/IMS and public key, can you point me to draft/rfc? From richard at shockey.us Wed Nov 13 20:53:49 2013 From: richard at shockey.us (Richard Shockey) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:53:49 -0500 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <5283D3E2.4020405@inblock.ru> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> <016701cee0a0$d1aa4830$74fed890$@shockey.us> <5283D3E2.4020405@inblock.ru> Message-ID: <01cc01cee0aa$13f2e270$3bd8a750$@shockey.us> -----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nikolay Shopik Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:33 PM To: Richard Shockey Cc: 'RIPE ENUM WG' Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header On 13.11.2013 22:47, Richard Shockey wrote: > BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all > IP [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone > including the mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and > Public Key Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the > INVITE to validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc. We are lagging behind, for like 5-7 years. MNP only apply to mobile operators, local operators will still using TDM/SS7 and nowhere plan to junk their stuff. That's probably because our FSB didn't come up with new wiretapping technology for SIP/IMS yet. So they still need TDM to wiretap calls. [RS> ] Oh there are lots of US and Israeli firms that would be happy to help the FSB ! They have a lot of experience are really good at analyzing Call Details Records as well. :-) SIP/IMS and public key, can you point me to draft/rfc? [RS> ] The SIP/IMS interconnection issue is part of the regulators push for a PSTN Transition to all IP infrastructure. The big carriers want it as well... well get out from under the regulator first but there is a real issue in that the old TDM gear needs to be replaced and is simply too expensive to continue to operate and the SIP gear is cheaper. http://www.telecompetitor.com/pstn-phase-out-debate-continues-at-fcc/ http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/t-wants-fccs-blessing-shut-down-pst n/2010-01-03 The problem is that the half transition is now causing huge leakage in the system that is creating huge criminal fraud. https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/stir/charter/ The consensus opinion is the adapt DKIM to phone numbers. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6376 In any event all of this requires restructuring the numbering databases and that eventually ends up with ENUM somewhere in the picture. http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931878 From dburk at burkov.aha.ru Wed Nov 13 21:44:46 2013 From: dburk at burkov.aha.ru (Dmitry Burkov) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 00:44:46 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <5283D20D.2040900@inblock.ru> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> <5283C40E.9070908@inblock.ru> <5283D20D.2040900@inblock.ru> Message-ID: <17FFAD75-950E-4DF6-A01D-C13E08A6BF9D@burkov.aha.ru> the issue - if you put all eggs in on basket On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:25, Nikolay Shopik wrote: > On 13.11.2013 22:44, Dmitry Burkov wrote: >> In my opinion - if ccTLD will lead MNP project it could break the whole self-governance system in DNS. > > I highly doubt, but I get your point, not everyone happy with ccTLD > here. Its just doesn't matter who run DNS ENUM if its closed. And only > mobile operators need it for now. > From dburk at burkov.aha.ru Wed Nov 13 21:47:04 2013 From: dburk at burkov.aha.ru (Dmitry Burkov) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 00:47:04 +0400 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <5283D3E2.4020405@inblock.ru> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <5283A5C4.40900@inblock.ru> <013a01cee099$7b17f9b0$7147ed10$@shockey.us> <016701cee0a0$d1aa4830$74fed890$@shockey.us> <5283D3E2.4020405@inblock.ru> Message-ID: <043F0A1E-8D7D-496A-B039-65FA9905F3CB@burkov.aha.ru> the issue is still percentage of analog networks in Russia We estimated 10 years ago - but it still a problem to implement fixed-mobile NP On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:32, Nikolay Shopik wrote: > On 13.11.2013 22:47, Richard Shockey wrote: >> BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all IP >> [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone including the >> mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and Public Key >> Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the INVITE to >> validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc. > > We are lagging behind, for like 5-7 years. MNP only apply to mobile > operators, local operators will still using TDM/SS7 and nowhere plan to > junk their stuff. That's probably because our FSB didn't come up with > new wiretapping technology for SIP/IMS yet. So they still need TDM to > wiretap calls. > > SIP/IMS and public key, can you point me to draft/rfc? > From juergenp at core.at Wed Nov 13 13:26:09 2013 From: juergenp at core.at (Juergen P. [core]) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:26:09 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod> <52833E8D.4010206@schiefner.de> Message-ID: thank you niall, as a non consenting subscriber i don't want messages from non-members in this case and i don't want to give linkedin - a commercial oriented platform- my personal profile, to become a product of them. kr Juergen On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:18:34 +0000 "Niall O'Reilly" wrote: >> >> On 13 Nov 2013, at 08:55, Carsten Schiefner wrote: >> >>> I believe we should have a brief discussion at least to see a >>>tendency whether or not this WG should join Peter's network at >>>LinkedIn. >> >> [Co-Chair hat OFF] >> >> Absolutely not: it would coerce non-consenting subscribers to the >>WG list. >> Individuals who wish to join Peter's network at LinkedIn are of >>course >> free and welcome to do so. >> >> Best regards, >> Niall >> >> -- Best Regards Juergen Paulhart E-Mail / VOIP / SIP / IM: juergenp at core.at TEL: +43 676 30 592 44 http://www.core.at *** Cloud based Communication Technologies & Hosted Unified Communications *** >>> thug nature <<< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have nonetheless found it very amusing that the WG got such an invitation as a result of a greedy app maybe that went through Peter's addressbook harvesting email addresses - and wanted to play with it a bit. That's all. Best, -C. From romeo.zwart at ripe.net Thu Nov 14 14:16:27 2013 From: romeo.zwart at ripe.net (Romeo Zwart) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:16:27 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5284C4C2.7090806@schiefner.de> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod> <52833E8D.4010206@schiefner.de> <5284C4C2.7090806@schiefner.de> Message-ID: <5284CD2B.3030908@ripe.net> Hi Carsten, > unfortunately this seems to be a joke that has (partly...) gone bad. On the contrary, I found it hilarious. Thanks for an entertaining afternoon. :-) Cheers, Romeo From juergenp at core.at Thu Nov 14 15:45:49 2013 From: juergenp at core.at (Juergen P. [core]) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:45:49 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Fwd: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5284CD2B.3030908@ripe.net> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod> <52833E8D.4010206@schiefner.de> <5284C4C2.7090806@schiefner.de> <5284CD2B.3030908@ripe.net> Message-ID: in this days joking about privacy stuff is not a good idea :-) kr On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:16:27 +0100 Romeo Zwart wrote: >> Hi Carsten, >> >>> unfortunately this seems to be a joke that has (partly...) gone >>>bad. >> >> On the contrary, I found it hilarious. Thanks for an entertaining >> afternoon. :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Romeo >> >> -- Best Regards Juergen Paulhart E-Mail / VOIP / SIP / IM: juergenp at core.at TEL: +43 676 30 592 44 http://www.core.at *** Cloud based Communication Technologies & Hosted Unified Communications *** >>> thug nature <<< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ray From jim at rfc1035.com Wed Nov 20 17:47:03 2013 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:47:03 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE7368579CE7@wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE7368579CE7@wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk> Message-ID: <6F0D35CE-8E3B-4637-AB5F-8B6334544D8B@rfc1035.com> On 20 Nov 2013, at 16:11, Ray Bellis wrote: > On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:40, Jim Reid wrote: > >> Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-) > > It's not dead, it's merely resting... IIUC, the plug may well be getting pulled on +47 soon. In which case ENUM literally will be pining for the fjords. :-) From jon.farmer at entagroup.com Wed Nov 20 17:51:06 2013 From: jon.farmer at entagroup.com (Jon Farmer) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:51:06 +0000 Subject: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header In-Reply-To: <6F0D35CE-8E3B-4637-AB5F-8B6334544D8B@rfc1035.com> References: <698540647.79615691.1384275684611.JavaMail.app@ela4-app4302.prod>, <20131113092112.5EF9D59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <20131113130549.A1D4B59C001@merlin.blacknight.ie> <52837EEB.40109@schiefner.de> <98FC113C-0CDC-41B7-9068-5626D8889DBE@rfc1035.com> <53F00E5CD8B2E34C81C0C89EB0B4FE7368579CE7@wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk> <6F0D35CE-8E3B-4637-AB5F-8B6334544D8B@rfc1035.com> Message-ID: <528CE87A.4090606@entagroup.com> On 20/11/13 16:47, Jim Reid wrote: > IIUC, the plug may well be getting pulled on +47 soon. In which case ENUM literally will be pining for the fjords. :-) > What? No "Good evening this is Oslo calling" at Eurovision time? 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