From paf at cisco.com Tue Apr 5 22:23:03 2005 From: paf at cisco.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?=) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:23:03 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Agenda items please! Message-ID: <84dce55037580bf117eff579215eff5e@cisco.com> I hereby ask for agenda items for the ENUM wg meeting at RIPE 50 in Stockholm. As normal, we plan having most of the time for presentations of status of various trials, but I also expect some discussion about infrastructure/user ENUM given for example the discussions in the +1 trial. Patrik From jim at rfc1035.com Fri Apr 8 13:51:04 2005 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:51:04 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] ETSI ENUM Plugtest Event Message-ID: <20562.1112961064@gromit.rfc1035.com> I'm sending this on behalf of the people at ETSI. If you have questions about the event, please contact the ETSI Plugtest Secretariat at the address below. Apologies to those who'll see duplicates in the IETF and DNS WG mailing lists. Dear All, We are pleased to invite you to the ENUM interoperability event, 30th May to 3rd June 2005 at ETSI Headquarters, Sophia Antipolis, France. The emerging technology of ENUM is attracting a lot of interest. By mapping telephone numbers to domain names, and from those to URLs, ENUM will be a key driver for the increasing convergence between the internet and telephony worlds. The ETSI ENUM Plugtests event will provide a vendor-neutral setting for equipment manufacturers, operators, ISPs, registries, software companies and system integrators to carry out controlled interoperability and conformance testing. It is a chance to discover ENUM system behaviour with misconfigured clients, servers, and intermediaries, so that they can explore the symptoms of such problems before their customers. For further details and to register, please visit our web site at the following URL: http://www.etsi.org/plugtests/ENUM.htm, the registration deadline is 16th May 2005. Please, show your interest by registering as soon as possible, but payment is not due before 23rd May 2005. Upon registration, you will be provided with ETSI's preferential rates for hotels and car rental. This invitation is open to anyone who may be interested so please feel free to forward it. To promote, boost or expand your image and products a wide range of sponsorship opportunities are available at: http://www.etsi.org/plugtests/sponsorus.htm We are looking forward to welcoming you in the South of France. Best regards, ETSI Plugtests TM Service Email: plugtests at etsi.org From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Mon Apr 18 14:27:51 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:27:51 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Swiss ENUM trial +41 Message-ID: <4263A7C7.8010003@schiefner.de> All, last week, SWITCH - Switzerland's Tier 1 registry operator - has started its trial: http://www.switch.ch/en/enum/ Best regards, Carsten Schiefner From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Mon Apr 18 14:29:34 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:29:34 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] New Zealand ENUM trial +64 Message-ID: <4263A82E.2020608@schiefner.de> All, there seems to be an ENUM trial "ante protas" in New Zealand, too: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3251308a28,00.html See also: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/public/enum/ http://www.internetnz.net.nz/public/enum/2005-04-12-delegation-paper.pdf Best regards, Carsten Schiefner From Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at Mon Apr 18 18:15:45 2005 From: Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at (Stastny Richard) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:15:45 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCC@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> From: http://voipandenum.blogspot.com/2005/04/austria-starts-with-enum-based-number.html Austria started in December 2004 as first country worldwide with the commercial deployment of ENUM. In this phase existing geographic, mobile, corporate and national-portable (nomadic) numbers could be registered. The next step will be the opening of the ENUM-based number range +43 780. The Austrian Regulator RTR announced today together with enum.at , the Austrian ENUM Registry,that the opening of the number range for service will take place on May 17th, 2005 at 12 pm. From this time subscribers may register individual numbers on a first-come-first-serve basis. The ENUM-based number range was defined in the new numbering ordinance (KEM-V) issued 12.05.2004 and is intended for convergent services. The numbers in this range may be reached both from the public Internet and from the PSTN and are linked with the related ENUM domain. Calls from the PSTN are routed via SS7 to VoIP gateways enabled to query ENUM to find out the SIP or H.323 URIs of the destination. On the Internet the End-user may query ENUM directly or via a SIP proxy or gatekeeper to find the destination. So what is the advantage of this ENUM-based number range? Unlike "normal" E.164 numbers the usage of these numbers is not bound to the provision of a telephone service. The number range is specifically targeted for communications service providers offering only VoIP and related real-time communication services to provide their customers easily and swiftly with globally reachable E.164 numbers to be reached from the PSTN and also with an ENUM domain. The only pre-condition is to provide their customers with a SIP or H323 URI. Some will like to hear this, some may not ;-) The subscriber simply requests the delegation of an ENUM domain in this range via an accredited ENUM Registrar. This registration triggers automatically the number assignment, so no validation is required, one of the major draw-backs of ENUM registrations of already existing numbers. On the other hand the end-user may control the associated ENUM domain and change the NAPTRs pointing to his VoIP service at any time, thus "porting" from one provider to another. But the number range also offers benefits to the conventional telcos on the PSTN, because they may provide their own gateway to route these number ranges and keep the money from the calling user, because no cascading takes place and no terminating fees need to be paid out. ENUM allows the global connectivity between customers of different providers without the need of bilateral agreements both on the Internet and also from the PSTN. This service is the first to truly implement the horizonal layered model of the future, separating transport, call set-up and applications. These open possibilities will enable an abundance of new and innovative services and applications for the end-users. Richard see also: http://voipandenum.blogspot.com/2005/04/enum-and-skype.html From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Mon Apr 18 19:19:56 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:19:56 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCC@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCC@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> Message-ID: <4263EC3C.8080803@schiefner.de> Richard, three short questions: - subscribers must have [ ] Austrian citizenship [ ] Austrian residency [ ] neither one, ie. it's gobally open - registrars must [ ] have a certain license fo Telco operations [ ] be an Austrian company [ ] have at least an Austrian subsidiary From what I understand this is basically dealt with by the answer to the question who is eligible to become an enum.at registrar, correct? - To what extend NP is implemented? Thanks & best, -C. Stastny Richard wrote: > From: > http://voipandenum.blogspot.com/2005/04/austria-starts-with-enum-based-number.html > > Austria started in December 2004 as first country worldwide with the commercial deployment of ENUM. In this phase existing geographic, mobile, corporate and national-portable (nomadic) numbers could be registered. > > The next step will be the opening of the ENUM-based number range +43 780. The Austrian Regulator RTR announced today together with enum.at , the Austrian ENUM Registry,that the opening of the number range for service will take place on May 17th, 2005 at 12 pm. From this time subscribers may register individual numbers on a first-come-first-serve basis. > > The ENUM-based number range was defined in the new numbering ordinance (KEM-V) issued 12.05.2004 and is intended for convergent services. The numbers in this range may be reached both from the public Internet and from the PSTN and are linked with the related ENUM domain. Calls from the PSTN are routed via SS7 to VoIP gateways enabled to query ENUM to find out the SIP or H.323 URIs of the destination. On the Internet the End-user may query ENUM directly or via a SIP proxy or gatekeeper to find the destination. > > So what is the advantage of this ENUM-based number range? > > Unlike "normal" E.164 numbers the usage of these numbers is not bound to the provision of a telephone service. > > The number range is specifically targeted for communications service providers offering only VoIP and related real-time communication services to provide their customers easily and swiftly with globally reachable E.164 numbers to be reached from the PSTN and also with an ENUM domain. The only pre-condition is to provide their customers with a SIP or H323 URI. > Some will like to hear this, some may not ;-) > > The subscriber simply requests the delegation of an ENUM domain in this range via an accredited ENUM Registrar. This registration triggers automatically the number assignment, so no validation is required, one of the major draw-backs of ENUM registrations of already existing numbers. > > On the other hand the end-user may control the associated ENUM domain and change the NAPTRs pointing to his VoIP service at any time, thus "porting" from one provider to another. > > But the number range also offers benefits to the conventional telcos on the PSTN, because they may provide their own gateway to route these number ranges and keep the money from the calling user, because no cascading takes place and no terminating fees need to be paid out. > > ENUM allows the global connectivity between customers of different providers without the need of bilateral agreements both on the Internet and also from the PSTN. > > This service is the first to truly implement the horizonal layered model of the future, separating transport, call set-up and applications. These open possibilities will enable an abundance of new and innovative services and applications for the end-users. > > Richard > see also: > http://voipandenum.blogspot.com/2005/04/enum-and-skype.html From Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at Mon Apr 18 21:41:53 2005 From: Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at (Stastny Richard) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:41:53 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> Hi Carsten, your questions: - subscribers must have [ ] Austrian citizenship [ ] Austrian residency [ X] neither one, ie. it's gobally open - registrars must [ ] have a certain license fo Telco operations [ ] be an Austrian company [ ] have at least an Austrian subsidiary From what I understand this is basically dealt with by the answer to the question who is eligible to become an enum.at registrar, correct? Correct, but non of the above applies The regstrar may either be a communication service provider, OR have a contract with a communication service provider The definition of a communication service provider is different from a normal telco, and is also not restricted to Austrian company (This wiould not work anyway in the EU) Since I have not the time to look up the related laws; so if you want to know more I reccommend to contact Robert Schischka from enum.at - To what extend NP is implemented? ? What kind of NP do you mean? Porting ENUM domains from one registrar to the other? -yes Porting ENUM doamins from one Name server to the other? -yes Pointing the NAPTR to another sip URI? -yes regards Richard ________________________________ Von: enum-wg-admin at ripe.net im Auftrag von Carsten Schiefner Gesendet: Mo 18.04.2005 19:19 An: enum-wg at ripe.net; enum at ietf.org Betreff: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Richard, three short questions: - subscribers must have [ ] Austrian citizenship [ ] Austrian residency [ ] neither one, ie. it's gobally open - registrars must [ ] have a certain license fo Telco operations [ ] be an Austrian company [ ] have at least an Austrian subsidiary From what I understand this is basically dealt with by the answer to the question who is eligible to become an enum.at registrar, correct? - To what extend NP is implemented? Thanks & best, -C. Stastny Richard wrote: > From: > http://voipandenum.blogspot.com/2005/04/austria-starts-with-enum-based-number.html > > Austria started in December 2004 as first country worldwide with the commercial deployment of ENUM. In this phase existing geographic, mobile, corporate and national-portable (nomadic) numbers could be registered. > > The next step will be the opening of the ENUM-based number range +43 780. The Austrian Regulator RTR announced today together with enum.at , the Austrian ENUM Registry,that the opening of the number range for service will take place on May 17th, 2005 at 12 pm. From this time subscribers may register individual numbers on a first-come-first-serve basis. > > The ENUM-based number range was defined in the new numbering ordinance (KEM-V) issued 12.05.2004 and is intended for convergent services. The numbers in this range may be reached both from the public Internet and from the PSTN and are linked with the related ENUM domain. Calls from the PSTN are routed via SS7 to VoIP gateways enabled to query ENUM to find out the SIP or H.323 URIs of the destination. On the Internet the End-user may query ENUM directly or via a SIP proxy or gatekeeper to find the destination. > > So what is the advantage of this ENUM-based number range? > > Unlike "normal" E.164 numbers the usage of these numbers is not bound to the provision of a telephone service. > > The number range is specifically targeted for communications service providers offering only VoIP and related real-time communication services to provide their customers easily and swiftly with globally reachable E.164 numbers to be reached from the PSTN and also with an ENUM domain. The only pre-condition is to provide their customers with a SIP or H323 URI. > Some will like to hear this, some may not ;-) > > The subscriber simply requests the delegation of an ENUM domain in this range via an accredited ENUM Registrar. This registration triggers automatically the number assignment, so no validation is required, one of the major draw-backs of ENUM registrations of already existing numbers. > > On the other hand the end-user may control the associated ENUM domain and change the NAPTRs pointing to his VoIP service at any time, thus "porting" from one provider to another. > > But the number range also offers benefits to the conventional telcos on the PSTN, because they may provide their own gateway to route these number ranges and keep the money from the calling user, because no cascading takes place and no terminating fees need to be paid out. > > ENUM allows the global connectivity between customers of different providers without the need of bilateral agreements both on the Internet and also from the PSTN. > > This service is the first to truly implement the horizonal layered model of the future, separating transport, call set-up and applications. These open possibilities will enable an abundance of new and innovative services and applications for the end-users. > > Richard > see also: > http://voipandenum.blogspot.com/2005/04/enum-and-skype.html From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Mon Apr 18 22:12:04 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:12:04 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> Message-ID: <42641494.40706@schiefner.de> [Trimmed to only, because of irrelevance to the ENUM protocol itself] Hi Richard, Stastny Richard wrote: > - subscribers must have > [ ] Austrian citizenship > [ ] Austrian residency > [ X] neither one, ie. it's gobally open cool - so all registrars listed here: http://www.enum.at/index.php?id=64&L=9 would help me out? > - registrars must > [...] > > The definition of a communication service provider is different from > a normal telco, and is also not restricted to Austrian company > (This wiould not work anyway in the EU) True, but such rules wouldn't be there nonetheless for the first time - and for sure not for the last time either... Whatever the rationale behind such action might be. > - To what extend NP is implemented? > > ? > What kind of NP do you mean? > > Porting ENUM domains from one registrar to the other? -yes > Porting ENUM doamins from one Name server to the other? -yes > Pointing the NAPTR to another sip URI? -yes Porting the E.164 number in the PSTN world from one operator to the next, as the latter has much better break-out rates, for example. Or would that be entirely opaque to the subscriber as she deasls with a communication service provider only anyways? Thanks a lot - and best, -C. From lendl at nic.at Mon Apr 18 22:29:04 2005 From: lendl at nic.at (Otmar Lendl) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:29:04 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <42641494.40706@schiefner.de> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <42641494.40706@schiefner.de> Message-ID: <20050418202904.GN6581@nic.at> On 2005/04/18 22:04, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > Stastny Richard wrote: > >- subscribers must have > > [ ] Austrian citizenship > > [ ] Austrian residency > > [ X] neither one, ie. it's gobally open > > cool - so all registrars listed here: > http://www.enum.at/index.php?id=64&L=9 would help me out? Not necessarily. They need to cooperate with a communication service provider (KDB: Kommunikationsdienstebetreiber). All delegations within 0780 must name the KDB which will get the official allocation of the corresponding E.164 number. > >- To what extend NP is implemented? > > > >? > >What kind of NP do you mean? > > > >Porting ENUM domains from one registrar to the other? -yes > >Porting ENUM doamins from one Name server to the other? -yes > >Pointing the NAPTR to another sip URI? -yes > > Porting the E.164 number in the PSTN world from one operator to the > next, as the latter has much better break-out rates, for example. Or > would that be entirely opaque to the subscriber as she deasls with a > communication service provider only anyways? The question misses the point. First of all, you cannot port numbers from other number ranges to the 0780 semantic. Or vice versa. Thus NP only applies within 0780. The call routing on the PSTN side is NOT AFFECTED by the selection of the KDB. Any telco can route *all* calls to *all* 0780 numbers to the same PSTN->VoIP gateway. The telco (KDB) currently owning the number has no right to receive the call via the usual SS7 interconnect. If there are multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, any telco originating calls to 0780 can choose the most convenient (i.e. cheapest) one to terminate calls to all 0780 numbers. All the business with the KDB "owning" the 0780 numbers has just two reasons: a) You need to provide a PSTN->VoIP gateway (directly or via a contract so someone else) before you're eligible to get 0780 number. => this guarantees that there is a gateway which all other telcos can use. b) The legal requirements on number allocations are fulfilled. /ol -- < Otmar Lendl (lendl at nic.at) | nic.at Systems Engineer > From Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at Mon Apr 18 22:46:28 2005 From: Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at (Stastny Richard) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:46:28 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCE@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> Carsten wrote: >Stastny Richard wrote: >> - subscribers must have >> [ ] Austrian citizenship >> [ ] Austrian residency >> [ X] neither one, ie. it's gobally open > >cool - so all registrars listed here: http://www.enum.at/index.php?id=64&L=9 would help me out? Not necessarily, a registrar may not have the right to sell all number ranges; as I said before, a regisrar needs a contract with a CSP, see below >> - registrars must >> [...] >> >> The definition of a communication service provider is different from >> a normal telco, and is also not restricted to Austrian company >> (This wiould not work anyway in the EU) > >True, but such rules wouldn't be there nonetheless for the first time - >and for sure not for the last time either... Whatever the rationale >behind such action might be. I think there is a bit a misaunderstanding The registrar needs a contract with a CSP operating a gateway to guarantee that the 780 number range can be reached from the PSTN. This has nothing to do with the VoIP provider the subscriber chooses to point the NAPTR to. >> - To what extend NP is implemented? >> >> ? >> What kind of NP do you mean? >> >> Porting ENUM domains from one registrar to the other? -yes >> Porting ENUM doamins from one Name server to the other? -yes >> Pointing the NAPTR to another sip URI? -yes >> >>Porting the E.164 number in the PSTN world from one operator to the >>next, as the latter has much better break-out rates, for example. Or >>would that be entirely opaque to the subscriber as she deasls with a >>communication service provider only anyways? >> Again there seems to be a misunderstanding ENUM is only for incoming calls, the VoIP provider may not eben know that the user subscribing to 780 is pointing to him via ENUM You may use this VoIP provider to make out calls, but you do not need to. An example: I chosae a registrar to subscribe for 780 and point the NAPTR to iptel.org and use a SNOM to receive calls. I also subscribe to sipgate.at, which terminates also a 720 number, which also terminates on the SNOM. For outgoing calls I use only the SNOM and for call to the US I use LibreTel. Of course normally is expected that your VOIP provider is also the registrar and also providing your outcalls. Normal user do not have any idea what ENUM is, so you will get it in a bundle Richard From jim at rfc1035.com Mon Apr 18 22:45:37 2005 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:45:37 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: Message from Otmar Lendl of "Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:29:04 +0200." <20050418202904.GN6581@nic.at> Message-ID: <16684.1113857137@shaun.rfc1035.com> Hi Otmar/Richard et al. It's highly likely the majority of the people on this list don't understand German very well. The info at www.enum.at in English sees to be out of date: ther's nothing about the use of this new number range. Is there an estimate for when the web site will be updated? I hope I won't have to learn German to get a delegation under +43 780. :-) From Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at Mon Apr 18 22:51:03 2005 From: Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at (Stastny Richard) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:51:03 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDD0@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> Hi Jim, one requirement from the regulator was that the number range should be used "primarily" within Austria: One method to keep the Scots at a low level is to provide the registrar page only in German ;-) Richard PS: I think Othmar will give a more proper answer ;-) ________________________________ Von: enum-wg-admin at ripe.net im Auftrag von Jim Reid Gesendet: Mo 18.04.2005 22:45 An: Otmar Lendl; enum-wg at ripe.net Betreff: Re: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Hi Otmar/Richard et al. It's highly likely the majority of the people on this list don't understand German very well. The info at www.enum.at in English sees to be out of date: ther's nothing about the use of this new number range. Is there an estimate for when the web site will be updated? I hope I won't have to learn German to get a delegation under +43 780. :-) From axelm at nic.at Mon Apr 18 22:55:07 2005 From: axelm at nic.at (Alexander Mayrhofer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:55:07 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <16684.1113857137@shaun.rfc1035.com> References: <16684.1113857137@shaun.rfc1035.com> Message-ID: <42641EAB.4090702@nic.at> Jim Reid wrote: > The info at www.enum.at in English sees > to be out of date: ther's nothing about the use of this new number > range. Is there an estimate for when the web site will be updated? I Jim, if everything works out as planned, we'll have a new site by wednesday. cheers axelm From alexander.mayrhofer at enum.at Mon Apr 18 22:29:16 2005 From: alexander.mayrhofer at enum.at (Alexander Mayrhofer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:29:16 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Re: [Enum] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <4263EC3C.8080803@schiefner.de> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCC@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <4263EC3C.8080803@schiefner.de> Message-ID: <4264189C.4030502@enum.at> Carsten Schiefner wrote: > Richard, > > three short questions: > > - subscribers must have > [ ] Austrian citizenship > [ ] Austrian residency > [X] neither one, ie. it's gobally open There is a vague restriction in the numbering ordinance about usage of those numbers - the "usage focus of the number must lie within Austria" - wherever the "usage focus" of an internet based service consisting of DNS, gateways, access, provisioning etc. might be ... > - registrars must > [ ] have a certain license fo Telco operations > [ ] be an Austrian company > [ ] have at least an Austrian subsidiary > From what I understand this is basically dealt with by the answer to > the question who is eligible to become an enum.at registrar, correct? neither one - the domain itself is open to any enum.at registrar. However - to have the corresponding number assigned (which in turn requires to domain to be registered first) you need to have a contract with a licensed Austrian communication service provider (which is not limited to austrian companies!). Practically, i expect most registrars to be the CSP as well, so that you have a contract with just one party. The SP registers your domain, gets the number allocated, and assigns it to you. > - To what extend NP is implemented? NP is formally done by changing data in the ENUM registry. No re-routing is necessary in the PSTN, since every operator is allowed to terminate any traffic to this number range on a gateway of his choice. cheers Alex Mayrhofer enum.at From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Tue Apr 19 13:41:26 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:41:26 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <20050418202904.GN6581@nic.at> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <42641494.40706@schiefner.de> <20050418202904.GN6581@nic.at> Message-ID: <4264EE66.5090209@schiefner.de> Hi Otmar, Otmar Lendl wrote: >>Stastny Richard wrote: >>> [ X] neither one, ie. it's gobally open >> >>cool - so all registrars listed here: >>http://www.enum.at/index.php?id=64&L=9 would help me out? > > Not necessarily. > > They need to cooperate with a communication service provider > (KDB: Kommunikationsdienstebetreiber). All delegations within > 0780 must name the KDB which will get the official allocation > of the corresponding E.164 number. thanks for the clarification - my former understanding came from Richard's original posting when he noted that "The subscriber simply requests the delegation of an ENUM domain in this range via an accredited ENUM Registrar." >>>- To what extend NP is implemented? > > First of all, you cannot port numbers from other number ranges > to the 0780 semantic. Or vice versa. Thus NP only applies within 0780. That's clear. > The call routing on the PSTN side is NOT AFFECTED by the selection > of the KDB. Any telco can route *all* calls to *all* 0780 numbers > to the same PSTN->VoIP gateway. The telco (KDB) currently owning > the number has no right to receive the call via the usual SS7 interconnect. > If there are multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, any > telco originating calls to 0780 can choose the most convenient (i.e. > cheapest) one to terminate calls to all 0780 numbers. [Thanks also to Alexander, who also clarified on that very point] After having slept over it (and some mind massages via private email exchange), I guess I need to rephrase the question appropriately: - What will be 780 termination costs like? - Is that being set by RTR, the Austrian regulator? - From what I understand what you (and Alexander) said - "If there are multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, [...]" - each TSP/CSP can pick any other gateway (true m:n relation), so eventually there likely will be a market price for gatewaying. - In the meantime, there might be only one or two TSPs/CSPs providing such gateways. Will they be regulated pricewise for the time being? Best, -C. From lendl at nic.at Tue Apr 19 14:11:08 2005 From: lendl at nic.at (Otmar Lendl) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:11:08 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <4264EE66.5090209@schiefner.de> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <42641494.40706@schiefner.de> <20050418202904.GN6581@nic.at> <4264EE66.5090209@schiefner.de> Message-ID: <20050419121108.GA16009@nic.at> Hi, On 2005/04/19 13:04, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > Otmar Lendl wrote: > > >The call routing on the PSTN side is NOT AFFECTED by the selection > >of the KDB. Any telco can route *all* calls to *all* 0780 numbers > >to the same PSTN->VoIP gateway. The telco (KDB) currently owning > >the number has no right to receive the call via the usual SS7 interconnect. > >If there are multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, any > >telco originating calls to 0780 can choose the most convenient (i.e. > >cheapest) one to terminate calls to all 0780 numbers. > > [Thanks also to Alexander, who also clarified on that very point] > > After having slept over it (and some mind massages via private email > exchange), I guess I need to rephrase the question appropriately: > > - What will be 780 termination costs like? Termination costs as seen by the end-user, or termination costs between carriers? > - Is that being set by RTR, the Austrian regulator? The RTR has specified only "quellnetztarifiert", meaning that the originating network is free to set a price they charge to someone calling a 0780 number. Based on hints appearing in www.telekom.at, I'd expect that to be somewhere between local and national tariffs for TA customers. Generally speaking, the RTR does not interfere in the pricing of carrier-carrier settlement regimes unless one of the parties complains. As far as we know, that has not happened yet, thus RTR is still out of the loop in terms of 0780 interconnection fees. > - From what I understand what you (and Alexander) said - "If there are > multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, [...]" - each TSP/CSP > can pick any other gateway (true m:n relation), so eventually there > likely will be a market price for gatewaying. Yes. If using someone else's gateway is too expensive, you can either build your own or route your traffic to someone charging less for termination. > - In the meantime, there might be only one or two TSPs/CSPs providing > such gateways. Will they be regulated pricewise for the time being? No. /ol -- < Otmar Lendl (lendl at nic.at) | nic.at Systems Engineer > From lwc at roke.co.uk Tue Apr 19 14:49:39 2005 From: lwc at roke.co.uk (Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:49:39 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: Hi Otmar, Carsten, folks, I may have been brushed by a bus, but the term interconnect worries me. Please use the LART if needed, but as I understood it... There is no NEED for an interconnect between an originating operator and any specific terminating provider. Any call to a 780 number MUST trigger an ENUM query, and the destination device is indicated by the NAPTR generated URL. This is done on the "originating side". Thus a PSTN originated call does not need to be delivered to another operator, so no interconnect is needed, only an ENUM-aware gateway. Of course, if the originating operator is too dumb to realise that this is "a license to print money" then they can make an agreement to deliver calls to any one of a number of folk who can gateway the PSTN call to a SIP phone. This is good news for those gateway providers, as THEY have the license to print money. Capitalism will ensure that they do not rob the poor originating operator for too much, but "the drinks are on them". In the longer term, the originating operators may set up their own gateways - there is a good business case, but it does require a clue. It is up to history to see if and how long this takes. all the best, Lawrence On 19 Apr 2005, at 13:11, Otmar Lendl wrote: > Hi, > > On 2005/04/19 13:04, Carsten Schiefner > wrote: >> Otmar Lendl wrote: >> >>> The call routing on the PSTN side is NOT AFFECTED by the selection >>> of the KDB. Any telco can route *all* calls to *all* 0780 numbers >>> to the same PSTN->VoIP gateway. The telco (KDB) currently owning >>> the number has no right to receive the call via the usual SS7 > interconnect. >>> If there are multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, any >>> telco originating calls to 0780 can choose the most convenient (i.e. >>> cheapest) one to terminate calls to all 0780 numbers. >> >> [Thanks also to Alexander, who also clarified on that very point] >> >> After having slept over it (and some mind massages via private email >> exchange), I guess I need to rephrase the question appropriately: >> >> - What will be 780 termination costs like? > > Termination costs as seen by the end-user, or termination > costs between carriers? > >> - Is that being set by RTR, the Austrian regulator? > > The RTR has specified only "quellnetztarifiert", meaning that the > originating network is free to set a price they charge to > someone calling a 0780 number. Based on hints appearing in > www.telekom.at, I'd expect that to be somewhere between local > and national tariffs for TA customers. > > Generally speaking, the RTR does not interfere in the pricing of > carrier-carrier settlement regimes unless one of the parties complains. > > As far as we know, that has not happened yet, thus RTR is still > out of the loop in terms of 0780 interconnection fees. > >> - From what I understand what you (and Alexander) said - "If there are > >> multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, [...]" - each TSP/CSP >> can pick any other gateway (true m:n relation), so eventually there >> likely will be a market price for gatewaying. > > Yes. If using someone else's gateway is too expensive, you can either > build your own or route your traffic to someone charging less for > termination. > >> - In the meantime, there might be only one or two TSPs/CSPs providing >> such gateways. Will they be regulated pricewise for the time being? > > No. > > /ol > -- > < Otmar Lendl (lendl at nic.at) | nic.at Systems Engineer > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at rfc1035.com Tue Apr 19 14:51:18 2005 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:51:18 +0100 Subject: [enum-wg] Re: [Enum] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <4264189C.4030502@enum.at> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCC@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <4263EC3C.8080803@schiefner.de> <4264189C.4030502@enum.at> Message-ID: <0602858b04ecdb1a504f8427a1cca5e4@rfc1035.com> I fear Carsten is morphing from a nethead to a bell-head. :-) From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Tue Apr 19 15:07:57 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:07:57 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <20050419121108.GA16009@nic.at> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <42641494.40706@schiefner.de> <20050418202904.GN6581@nic.at> <4264EE66.5090209@schiefner.de> <20050419121108.GA16009@nic.at> Message-ID: <426502AD.30800@schiefner.de> Hi Otmar, Otmar Lendl wrote: >>- What will be 780 termination costs like? > > Termination costs as seen by the end-user, or termination > costs between carriers? I wouldn't mind learning about both figures... >>- Is that being set by RTR, the Austrian regulator? > > The RTR has specified only "quellnetztarifiert", meaning that the > originating network is free to set a price they charge to > someone calling a 0780 number. Based on hints appearing in > www.telekom.at, I'd expect that to be somewhere between local > and national tariffs for TA customers. > > Generally speaking, the RTR does not interfere in the pricing of > carrier-carrier settlement regimes unless one of the parties complains. The possibility to complain of course comprise the user "party" as well, right? Thanks for your answers, -C. From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Tue Apr 19 15:20:09 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:20:09 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42650589.5000107@schiefner.de> Hi Lawrence, Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP) wrote: > [...] > > Of course, if the originating operator is too dumb to realise that > this is "a license to print money" then they can make an agreement > to deliver calls to any one of a number of folk who can gateway the > PSTN call to a SIP phone. This is good news for those gateway providers, > as THEY have the license to print money. Capitalism will ensure that > they do not rob the poor originating operator for too much, but "the > drinks are on them". this is exactly what I was aiming at - or at least tried to... Best, -C. From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Tue Apr 19 15:22:04 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:22:04 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <0602858b04ecdb1a504f8427a1cca5e4@rfc1035.com> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCC@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <4263EC3C.8080803@schiefner.de> <4264189C.4030502@enum.at> <0602858b04ecdb1a504f8427a1cca5e4@rfc1035.com> Message-ID: <426505FC.20908@schiefner.de> Jim Reid wrote: > I fear Carsten is morphing from a nethead to a bell-head. :-) Where the heck was the number again of that lawyer specialised in libel cases...?! ;-> From lendl at nic.at Tue Apr 19 16:00:32 2005 From: lendl at nic.at (Otmar Lendl) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:00:32 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <426502AD.30800@schiefner.de> References: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDCD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> <42641494.40706@schiefner.de> <20050418202904.GN6581@nic.at> <4264EE66.5090209@schiefner.de> <20050419121108.GA16009@nic.at> <426502AD.30800@schiefner.de> Message-ID: <20050419140031.GA17750@nic.at> Hi, On 2005/04/19 15:04, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > Otmar Lendl wrote: > >>- What will be 780 termination costs like? > > > >Termination costs as seen by the end-user, or termination > >costs between carriers? > > I wouldn't mind learning about both figures... Right now, I doubt that they have been decided on yet. On the interconnection side, I expect that carriers will start with the usual PSTN interconnection rates (not the mobile ones). On the end-user side, I guess the tariffs will be in the range of coorporate numbers and 0720 numbers. This might be slightly higher than local calls but will probably not exceed national calling. Not all carriers here still make a decision between local and national calls. > >>- Is that being set by RTR, the Austrian regulator? > > > >The RTR has specified only "quellnetztarifiert", meaning that the > >originating network is free to set a price they charge to > >someone calling a 0780 number. Based on hints appearing in > >www.telekom.at, I'd expect that to be somewhere between local > >and national tariffs for TA customers. > > > >Generally speaking, the RTR does not interfere in the pricing of > >carrier-carrier settlement regimes unless one of the parties complains. > > The possibility to complain of course comprise the user "party" as well, > right? I'm not a laywer and don't know if consumers have a formal standing, but my guess here is that RTR will not intervene unless carriers use that number-range as a trap by charging outragious tariffs. That side is supposed to be solved by competition amoungst the telcos. IMHO if e.g. Telekom Austria overcharges here, than some of the alternative telcos will counter with special call-by-call or preselection offers which route calls to their gateway. As I see it, we'll have half-way decent prices for the first year, and if we will see decent uptake on the usage than deploying more gateways makes sense which then drives down the tariffs. IMHO that number range is very well suited for flat-rate style pricing as you don't have to pay other parties by the minute once you have your own gateway. We'll see. /ol -- < Otmar Lendl (lendl at nic.at) | nic.at Systems Engineer > From chenhui at cnnic.cn Wed Apr 20 08:34:52 2005 From: chenhui at cnnic.cn (chenhui at cnnic.cn) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:34:52 +0800 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <313978892.27586@cnnic.cn> Hi all, I have several questions... 1) Which switching machine takes in charge of "triggering an ENUM query"? Is it the local-part machine? 2) Is it that ENUM registry in Austria stores all the ENUM NAPTR records of all users? And telco service providers agree to cooperate with ENUM registry? 3) What is the charge module of ENUM application now? Is it based on number of services, just ENUM number, or some other things? Best wishes! Chenhui >From: "Conroy, Lawrence \(SMTP\)" >Reply-To: >To: "Otmar Lendl" >Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range >Date:Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:49:39 +0100 > >Hi Otmar, Carsten, folks, > I may have been brushed by a bus, but the term interconnect worries >me. Please use the LART if needed, but as I understood it... > >There is no NEED for an interconnect between an originating operator >and any specific terminating provider. Any call to a 780 number MUST >trigger an ENUM query, and the destination device is indicated by >the NAPTR generated URL. This is done on the "originating side". >Thus a PSTN originated call does not need to be delivered to another >operator, so no interconnect is needed, only an ENUM-aware gateway. > >Of course, if the originating operator is too dumb to realise that >this is "a license to print money" then they can make an agreement >to deliver calls to any one of a number of folk who can gateway the >PSTN call to a SIP phone. This is good news for those gateway providers, >as THEY have the license to print money. Capitalism will ensure that >they do not rob the poor originating operator for too much, but "the >drinks are on them". > >In the longer term, the originating operators may set up their own >gateways - there is a good business case, but it does require a clue. >It is up to history to see if and how long this takes. > >all the best, > Lawrence > >On 19 Apr 2005, at 13:11, Otmar Lendl wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2005/04/19 13:04, Carsten Schiefner >> wrote: >>> Otmar Lendl wrote: >>> >>>> The call routing on the PSTN side is NOT AFFECTED by the selection >>>> of the KDB. Any telco can route *all* calls to *all* 0780 numbers >>>> to the same PSTN->VoIP gateway. The telco (KDB) currently owning >>>> the number has no right to receive the call via the usual SS7 >> interconnect. >>>> If there are multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, any >>>> telco originating calls to 0780 can choose the most convenient (i.e. >>>> cheapest) one to terminate calls to all 0780 numbers. >>> >>> [Thanks also to Alexander, who also clarified on that very point] >>> >>> After having slept over it (and some mind massages via private email >>> exchange), I guess I need to rephrase the question appropriately: >>> >>> - What will be 780 termination costs like? >> >> Termination costs as seen by the end-user, or termination >> costs between carriers? >> >>> - Is that being set by RTR, the Austrian regulator? >> >> The RTR has specified only "quellnetztarifiert", meaning that the >> originating network is free to set a price they charge to >> someone calling a 0780 number. Based on hints appearing in >> www.telekom.at, I'd expect that to be somewhere between local >> and national tariffs for TA customers. >> >> Generally speaking, the RTR does not interfere in the pricing of >> carrier-carrier settlement regimes unless one of the parties complains. >> >> As far as we know, that has not happened yet, thus RTR is still >> out of the loop in terms of 0780 interconnection fees. >> >>> - From what I understand what you (and Alexander) said - "If there are >> >>> multiple gateways available on the SS7 network, [...]" - each TSP/CSP >>> can pick any other gateway (true m:n relation), so eventually there >>> likely will be a market price for gatewaying. >> >> Yes. If using someone else's gateway is too expensive, you can either >> build your own or route your traffic to someone charging less for >> termination. >> >>> - In the meantime, there might be only one or two TSPs/CSPs providing >>> such gateways. Will they be regulated pricewise for the time being? >> >> No. >> >> /ol >> -- >> < Otmar Lendl (lendl at nic.at) | nic.at Systems Engineer > >> From axelm at nic.at Wed Apr 20 09:21:35 2005 From: axelm at nic.at (Alexander Mayrhofer) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:21:35 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <313978892.27586@cnnic.cn> References: <313978892.27586@cnnic.cn> Message-ID: <426602FF.4030604@nic.at> chenhui at cnnic.cn wrote: > Hi all, > > I have several questions... > 1) Which switching machine takes in charge of "triggering an ENUM query"? Is it > the local-part machine? It will usually consist of several components: A SS7 "speaking" component, a ISDN to SIP/H.323 (talking about voice) Gateway, probably an external box doing the ENUM lookup and controlling the gateway, plus a session border controller / firewall ... > 2) Is it that ENUM registry in Austria stores all the ENUM NAPTR records of all > users? And telco service providers agree to cooperate with ENUM registry? Neither. But: It's the user's choice to opt in for ENUM (although the Telco is allowed to opt-in for the user as well). The NAPTRs are the user's choice, too. Validation can take place without an cooperating telco as well (eg. via providing paperwork, invoices, directory entries etc.) However, with regards to the number range +43 780, a user is required to have the corresponding ENUM-Domain, because it's a prerequisite to number allocation. > 3) What is the charge module of ENUM application now? Is it based on number of > services, just ENUM number, or some other things? If you're talking about the registry costs: it's a "per-delegation" based model - the registrar is esentially charged " x " with the fee slightly decreasing as the number of domains increases. cheers axelm From chenhui at cnnic.cn Wed Apr 20 12:23:48 2005 From: chenhui at cnnic.cn (chenhui at cnnic.cn) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:23:48 +0800 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <313992628.30514@cnnic.cn> Axelm, For 1), Does it mean that in Austria, the session-control equipments (as you said, the several components, and maybe including softswitch?) in Telco network all support ENUM? For 2), Who possess(take charge in assigning) the 780 number range? Users should have a 780 number first and then have a corresponding domain,yes? For 3), I think the whole charge module can be refered to some aspects, not just registry. For example, different ENUM services(call/Voicemail/conference..) can have more charge module than '"per-delegation" based model'. BTW,what kinds of ENUM services have been provided in Austria except call? Best wishes! Chenhui >From: Alexander Mayrhofer >Reply-To: >To: chenhui at cnnic.cn >Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range >Date:Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:21:35 +0200 > >chenhui at cnnic.cn wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have several questions... > > 1) Which switching machine takes in charge of "triggering an ENUM query"? Is it > > the local-part machine? > > It will usually consist of several components: A SS7 "speaking" > component, a ISDN to SIP/H.323 (talking about voice) Gateway, probably > an external box doing the ENUM lookup and controlling the gateway, plus > a session border controller / firewall ... > > > > 2) Is it that ENUM registry in Austria stores all the ENUM NAPTR records of all > > users? And telco service providers agree to cooperate with ENUM registry? > > Neither. But: > > It's the user's choice to opt in for ENUM (although the Telco is allowed > to opt-in for the user as well). The NAPTRs are the user's choice, too. > Validation can take place without an cooperating telco as well (eg. via > providing paperwork, invoices, directory entries etc.) > > However, with regards to the number range +43 780, a user is required to > have the corresponding ENUM-Domain, because it's a prerequisite to > number allocation. > > > 3) What is the charge module of ENUM application now? Is it based on number of > > services, just ENUM number, or some other things? > > If you're talking about the registry costs: it's a "per-delegation" > based model - the registrar is esentially charged " x domains>" with the fee slightly decreasing as the number of domains > increases. > > cheers > > axelm > From axelm at nic.at Wed Apr 20 12:55:39 2005 From: axelm at nic.at (Alexander Mayrhofer) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:55:39 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range In-Reply-To: <313992628.30514@cnnic.cn> References: <313992628.30514@cnnic.cn> Message-ID: <4266352B.6080205@nic.at> chenhui at cnnic.cn wrote: > Axelm, > > For 1), Does it mean that in Austria, the session-control equipments (as you said, > the several components, and maybe including softswitch?) in Telco network all > support ENUM? No, i didn't say that. I said that this would be a way to implement it. They would have to add such equipment to their network. > For 2), Who possess(take charge in assigning) the 780 number range? Users should > have a 780 number first and then have a corresponding domain,yes? The assignment is done be the regulator via communication service providers. The 780 range is an exception from the usual ENUM procedure: For 780, you register the _domain_ first, and if you successfully aquire the domain, your CSP qualifies for the corresponding number assignment. > For 3), I think the whole charge module can be refered to some aspects, not just > registry. For example, different ENUM services(call/Voicemail/conference..) can > have more charge module than '"per-delegation" based model'. Sure. But that is up to the service providers, which "package" the ENUM delegation together with eg. SIP service, fax box, voicemail, IM gatewaying. > BTW,what kinds of ENUM services have been provided in Austria except call? We're investigating usage scenarios including SMS/text/IM, Fax, Video-SIP/UMTS and presence (that's us, the registry guys. I can't speak for the CSP community of course, i'm hoping they work on other topics, too). cheers axelm From Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at Wed Apr 20 13:26:43 2005 From: Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at (Stastny Richard) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:26:43 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BDDD@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> A general statement: There seems to be a confusion with the terms telco and communication service provider For the avaoidance of doubt: To request an E.164 number in Austria you need to be a communication service provider according to the Austrian telecommunication law To be a telecommunication service provider no licence is necessary, the only requirement is to notify the regulator from the fact you are considering yourself a CSP. This is also complienat to the EU regulatory framework Richard ________________________________ Von: enum-wg-admin at ripe.net im Auftrag von Alexander Mayrhofer Gesendet: Mi 20.04.2005 12:55 An: chenhui at cnnic.cn Cc: lwc at roke.co.uk; lendl at nic.at; enum-wg at ripe.net Betreff: Re: [enum-wg] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range chenhui at cnnic.cn wrote: > Axelm, > > For 1), Does it mean that in Austria, the session-control equipments (as you said, > the several components, and maybe including softswitch?) in Telco network all > support ENUM? No, i didn't say that. I said that this would be a way to implement it. They would have to add such equipment to their network. > For 2), Who possess(take charge in assigning) the 780 number range? Users should > have a 780 number first and then have a corresponding domain,yes? The assignment is done be the regulator via communication service providers. The 780 range is an exception from the usual ENUM procedure: For 780, you register the _domain_ first, and if you successfully aquire the domain, your CSP qualifies for the corresponding number assignment. > For 3), I think the whole charge module can be refered to some aspects, not just > registry. For example, different ENUM services(call/Voicemail/conference..) can > have more charge module than '"per-delegation" based model'. Sure. But that is up to the service providers, which "package" the ENUM delegation together with eg. SIP service, fax box, voicemail, IM gatewaying. > BTW,what kinds of ENUM services have been provided in Austria except call? We're investigating usage scenarios including SMS/text/IM, Fax, Video-SIP/UMTS and presence (that's us, the registry guys. I can't speak for the CSP community of course, i'm hoping they work on other topics, too). cheers axelm From jperkins at nieir.com.au Thu Apr 21 04:27:01 2005 From: jperkins at nieir.com.au (John Perkins) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:27:01 +1000 Subject: [enum-wg] Re: [Enum] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050421122701.00b75860@pop.alphalink.com.au> I fear Carsten is morphing from a nethead to a bell-head. :-) _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum at ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From jperkins at nieir.com.au Thu Apr 21 04:26:47 2005 From: jperkins at nieir.com.au (John Perkins) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:26:47 +1000 Subject: [enum-wg] Re: [Enum] Austria starts with the ENUM-based number range Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050421122647.00b75860@pop.alphalink.com.au> Carsten Schiefner wrote: > Richard, > > three short questions: > > - subscribers must have > [ ] Austrian citizenship > [ ] Austrian residency > [X] neither one, ie. it's gobally open There is a vague restriction in the numbering ordinance about usage of those numbers - the "usage focus of the number must lie within Austria" - wherever the "usage focus" of an internet based service consisting of DNS, gateways, access, provisioning etc. might be ... > - registrars must > [ ] have a certain license fo Telco operations > [ ] be an Austrian company > [ ] have at least an Austrian subsidiary > From what I understand this is basically dealt with by the answer to > the question who is eligible to become an enum.at registrar, correct? neither one - the domain itself is open to any enum.at registrar. However - to have the corresponding number assigned (which in turn requires to domain to be registered first) you need to have a contract with a licensed Austrian communication service provider (which is not limited to austrian companies!). Practically, i expect most registrars to be the CSP as well, so that you have a contract with just one party. The SP registers your domain, gets the number allocated, and assigns it to you. > - To what extend NP is implemented? NP is formally done by changing data in the ENUM registry. No re-routing is necessary in the PSTN, since every operator is allowed to terminate any traffic to this number range on a gateway of his choice. cheers Alex Mayrhofer enum.at _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum at ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Mon Apr 25 14:51:49 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:51:49 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] ENUM Support for H323 Message-ID: <426CE7E5.4070404@schiefner.de> All, FYI. Best, Carsten -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [E164-discuss] ENUM Support for H323 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:27:07 +0800 From: Simon Horne Reply-To: e164-discuss at lists.e164.org To: e164-discuss at lists.e164.org Hello I'm a senior developer on the OpenH323 project and am interested in extending support for ENUM within H323. We are very interesting in exploring opportunities with our software with GNUGK.org Gatekeeper and e164.org. I'll be submitting some patches to the GNUGK.org project to enhance NAT traversal and add ENUM support. We have also developed a commercial Win32 DCOM toolkit based on OpenH323 which supports 1. ENUM natively 2. UPnP NAT Traversal for Inbound calls (Outbound supported Natively (with matching patched H323 clients)). 3. H235 Incoming Caller Authentication & voice encryption. 4. H460.7 Digit Maps (for location dailing display ie +44 will display 'United Kingdom' etc) and also we are in final development of a Freeware IE Webpage plugin (for outbound calling with native NAT traversal support) http://www.isvo.net/v_meet.htm I am in the process of incorporating the ENUM h323: URI scheme ( rfc3762 ) with it. Can someone point me in the right direction about what's available on e164.org Thanks in advance Simon ******************************************************* Simon Home ISVO (Asia) Pte Ltd developer of the *Virteos H323COMtools *Win32 DCOM plugin based on the OpenH323 Stack http://www.isvo.net ******************************************************* From Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at Tue Apr 26 20:12:34 2005 From: Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at (Stastny Richard) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:12:34 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] 2nd Consulation on VoIP by the Austrian Regulator Message-ID: <32755D354E6B65498C3BD9FD496C7D4613BE23@oefeg-s04.oefeg.loc> FYI Richard http://voipandenum.blogspot.com/2005/04/2nd-consulation-on-voip-by-austrian.html 2nd Consulation on VoIP by the Austrian Regulator >From the RTR web-site: The Austrian Regulatory Authority for Broadcasting and Telecommunications (RTR) is conducting a 6-week public consultation on the document "Guidelines for VoIP Service Providers " and invites all interested parties to submit positions and comments regarding the regulatory approach to VoIP services. RTR already held a public consultation on VoIP in June 2004 with the results influencing RTR's comments to the European Commission consultation on VoIP, This second public consultation on VoIP gives opportunity to comment on RTR's modified position. Due to the international aspect of VoIP regulation, the consultation document is published in English. Comments are welcome both in English and German. All comments received will be published on RTR's website, as long as RTR is not explicitely advised not to do so. Please send your positions and comments until June 10, 2005 in electronic form (MS-Word, MS-Excel, PDF) via e-mail to konsultationen AT rtr.at The consulation defines two classes of VoIP services (Class A PATS+ECS and Class B unregulated) and deals mainly with numbering issues, interconnect requirements and access to emergency services. The proposed position is: If you are connecting to the PSTN in Austria you are Class A and therefore regulated. One major point here is that if you want to provide VoIP service with a geographic (local) number, you need a fixed termination point at this location. If you provide a nomadic service in addition, you need also an additional nomadic number below for display if you access emergency services. If you provide a nomadic (virtual) service only, you may use the number ranges 0720 and 0780 (ENUM) only. Since the outcome of this consulation is important also for non-native VoIP providers, I recommend that VoIP providers interested in providing VoIP services using Austrian numbering resources or to terminate calls via gateways in Austria to retrieve this paper and also to comments on their position. From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Tue Apr 26 20:52:54 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:52:54 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial +61 Message-ID: <426E8E06.6020200@schiefner.de> All, Google sent me this already on 22 April: === Google Alert for: *ENUM* Twelve-month *Enum* trial to start in May Telecom Paper (subscription) - Netherlands The Australian Communications Authority (ACA) will launch a twelve-month trial of electronic number mapping (*Enum*) technology on 5 May, The Australian reports. *...* === - but I failed to dig out any further information. Would anybody have some more background information on this? Best, Carsten Schiefner From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Tue Apr 26 21:27:14 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:27:14 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] 12th CEPT Conference (re. VoIP) Message-ID: <426E9612.3040204@schiefner.de> All, although only semi-related to ENUM, nonetheless maybe of some potential interest - the 12th CEPT Conference in Barcelona from 13 to 14 April: http://www.ero.dk/69D2D33E-0770-44CB-BEF1-9A8C74C04DBD.W5Doc?frames=no covered VoIP to quite some extent: o Martin Cave: Fixed/mobile substitution in pre- and post-VoIP worlds, impact on regulation http://www.ero.dk/568372F1-3C68-4E0A-AC21-6B16C0CE489A?frames=no& o Niklas Zennstr?m: VoIP ? a new disruptive force on the telecoms market and its regulation http://www.ero.dk/A92058BA-6A4E-4A48-915D-337ADBCC6EED?frames=no& o James Allen: http://www.ero.dk/70A01EB6-257F-47AD-B86B-DEA78AAFEE23?frames=no& o Jeffrey A. Campbell: http://www.ero.dk/413471FE-D9F3-4C7D-B311-9DC6AC1ACE47?frames=no& o Eli Katz: Global PSTN ByPass & VoIP Interconnection http://www.ero.dk/EAD6F25E-F04D-4909-980C-70A8AF71654B?frames=no& o John Horrocks: Overview of the growing competition between the Internet and the telcos http://www.ero.dk/93244A44-AA17-400C-8321-536C20CFA463?frames=no& o Peter Scott: http://www.ero.dk/4C40328D-C13D-419A-A27C-C176B8B3AC4F?frames=no& Best, Carsten From Vince.Humphries at aca.gov.au Wed Apr 27 04:48:27 2005 From: Vince.Humphries at aca.gov.au (Humphries, Vince) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:48:27 +1000 Subject: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial +61 Message-ID: <2C19239EC1F30D459ADAAC7676EE2C7BDC3402@acvic01excp1.aca.gov.au> Dear Carsten I'm afraid I can't give you details until next Thursday, when an announcement will be made by the company that has been selected to run the Tier 1 Registry for the Australian ENUM trial. I'll post some information about the trial on this list at the end of next week. Regards... Vince Humphries Australian Communications Authority -----Original Message----- From: Carsten Schiefner [ mailto:enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de] Sent: Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:52 To: enum-wg at ripe.net Subject: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial +61 All, Google sent me this already on 22 April: === Google Alert for: *ENUM* Twelve-month *Enum* trial to start in May < http://www.telecom.paper.nl/site/news_ta.asp?type=abstract&id=76236> Telecom Paper (subscription) - Netherlands The Australian Communications Authority (ACA) will launch a twelve-month trial of electronic number mapping (*Enum*) technology on 5 May, The Australian reports. *...* === - but I failed to dig out any further information. Would anybody have some more background information on this? Best, Carsten Schiefner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de Wed Apr 27 08:16:51 2005 From: enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:16:51 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial +61 In-Reply-To: <2C19239EC1F30D459ADAAC7676EE2C7BDC3402@acvic01excp1.aca.gov.au> References: <2C19239EC1F30D459ADAAC7676EE2C7BDC3402@acvic01excp1.aca.gov.au> Message-ID: <426F2E53.9070502@schiefner.de> Dear Vince, Humphries, Vince wrote: > Dear Carsten > > I'm afraid I can't give you details until next Thursday, when an > announcement will be made by the company that has been selected to run > the Tier 1 Registry for the Australian ENUM trial. I'll post some > information about the trial on this list at the end of next week. thanks for the update - let's wait patiently then. :-) BTW: do you know if there is some mailing lists or other public fora being set up? Best, Carsten From Vince.Humphries at aca.gov.au Thu Apr 28 01:54:38 2005 From: Vince.Humphries at aca.gov.au (Humphries, Vince) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:54:38 +1000 Subject: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial +61 Message-ID: <2C19239EC1F30D459ADAAC7676EE2C7BDC341C@acvic01excp1.aca.gov.au> Dear Carsten There is an Australian ENUM Discussion Group that meets to discuss and advise on the framework for the Australian ENUM trial; its web page is at http://internet.aca.gov.au/ACAINTER.65650:STANDARD:1078325456:pc=PC_2319. There is a mailing list for the group, but to date it has only dealt with administrative matters. The next meeting is scheduled for the 17th of May and is expected to be devoted to the launch of the Australian trial, the operation of the Tier 1 Registry, and rights of use of numbers that are registered in ENUM. Let me know if you'd like any further information on this. Regards... Vince Humphries Australian Communications Authority -----Original Message----- From: Carsten Schiefner [mailto:enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de] Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:17 To: 'enum-wg at ripe.net' Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial +61 Dear Vince, Humphries, Vince wrote: > Dear Carsten > > I'm afraid I can't give you details until next Thursday, when an > announcement will be made by the company that has been selected to run > the Tier 1 Registry for the Australian ENUM trial. I'll post some > information about the trial on this list at the end of next week. thanks for the update - let's wait patiently then. :-) BTW: do you know if there is some mailing lists or other public fora being set up? Best, Carsten From kim at centr.org Fri Apr 29 09:04:26 2005 From: kim at centr.org (Kim Davies) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:04:26 +0200 Subject: [enum-wg] Agenda for next week's ENUM meeting Message-ID: <4271DC7A.3000205@centr.org> Dear all, This is our draft agenda for next week's ENUM working group slot, which is scheduled for 1400-1530 on Thursday, in room C58: 1. IETF Update 2. Trials and Deployments 2.1 UK (+44) ENUM Development, Jim Reid 2.2 Austrian (+43) ENUM Deployment, Otmar Lendl 2.3 Swedish (+46) ENUM Deployment, Joakim Str?lmark 2.4 Irish (+353) ENUM Status, Niall O'Reilly 2.5 Other Deployments 3. ETSI ENUM Plugtest, Jim Reid 4. AOB Any further contributions are welcome! kim -- Kim Davies, Council of European National Top Level Domain Registries Avenue Louise 327, B-1050 Brussels; Tel. +32 2 627 5550 From richard at shockey.us Fri Apr 29 15:48:48 2005 From: richard at shockey.us (Richard Shockey) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:48:48 -0400 Subject: [enum-wg] Agenda for next week's ENUM meeting In-Reply-To: <4271DC7A.3000205@centr.org> References: <4271DC7A.3000205@centr.org> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050429093637.041b39a0@sb7.songbird.com> At 03:04 AM 4/29/2005, Kim Davies wrote: >Dear all, > >This is our draft agenda for next week's ENUM working group slot, which is >scheduled for 1400-1530 on Thursday, in room C58: > >1. IETF Update >2. Trials and Deployments > 2.1 UK (+44) ENUM Development, Jim Reid > 2.2 Austrian (+43) ENUM Deployment, Otmar Lendl > 2.3 Swedish (+46) ENUM Deployment, Joakim Str??lmark > 2.4 Irish (+353) ENUM Status, Niall O'Reilly > 2.5 Other Deployments >3. ETSI ENUM Plugtest, Jim Reid >4. AOB > >Any further contributions are welcome! Kim .. I will not be there but you might want to note during the meeting that there is significant development re the situation with CC +1. As many of you know there is a CC1 LLC formed recently. http://www.enumllc.com/ The LLC and its Technical Advisory Committee are rapidly developing the set of requirements and trial specifications necessary to begin the process of temporary delegation of CC1 in order to begin national trials first in the United States this year ....yes this year (3rd quarter?) and presumably shortly thereafter in Canada. http://www.enumllc.com/timeline.htm Stay tuned ... >kim >-- >Kim Davies, Council of European National Top Level Domain Registries >Avenue Louise 327, B-1050 Brussels; Tel. +32 2 627 5550 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Director - Member of Technical Staff NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141 at fwd.pulver.com ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<