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Re: ENUM and unsolicited messages

  • To: Jim Reid < >
  • From: Richard Shockey < >
  • Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:49:26 -0500
  • Cc: "Amelia Effendi" < >

At 01:16 PM 12/15/2003, Jim Reid wrote:

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Shockey richard@localhost writes:

    Richard> More importantly the US has and I'm told the UK is
    Richard> looking into strong "do not call" legislation that
    Richard> prevents unsilicited "phone calls" the way the
    Richard> legislation was written in the US is technology neutral
    Richard> and as such should cover VoIP very well.

This is all very well, but how can the law be enforced? I'm sure the
cops will say they have better things to do with their time if/when
someone complains. And what if the unsolicited VoIP call comes from
overseas or the cyber-cafe down the road? Good luck identifying the
caller let alone get them into court.
Impose stiff penalties and give the money to the enforcement folks or private right of actions..

Perhaps I'm just been too cynical about this. UK regulations are
supposed to prevent me from receiving unwanted phone calls and SMS
messages. I've signed up for the telemarketer's opt-out lists. [It
should of course be an opt-in list for those who *want* to get this
crap, but let's have that debate another time.] Yet I still get
unsolicited calls and SMS. When I complain to my telcos, they say it's
nothing to do with them. And when I've complained to the regulator,
they say it's not their problem either. They say it's not their fault
some marketing companies don't use the opt-out lists and the regulator
has no way of compelled those companies to use them.
That is a fault of the law in the UK not in the concept of DNC's .The DNC law here specifically prohibits masking identity etc and sets up very serious fines etc ..ATT for instance was fined $900K for violating the rules . what everyone forgets is that some one on a unsolicited call is trying to sell you something .and that usually means they will have a US or a EU "nexus" which means the regulator or enforcement agency can trace the money path and potentially impose the appropriate penality . most call centers even now are outside the US but you can trace the activity.

The US Federal Trade Commission ,for instance,did its own study of its own SPAM and was able to successfully trace 80 of the spam to a US address, bank account etc.

Its just the UK does not have good penalties or the will to enforce them unlike the US where it was so bad the political class got the message and for once acted appropriately.

Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives
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