[eix-wg] RIPE 51 EIX-WG Draft Minutes
Mike Hughes mike at linx.net
Thu Dec 15 17:01:13 CET 2005
Hi all, Herewith the draft minutes from the EIX Working Group at RIPE 51 for your viewing pleasure. Please mail me back before the 21st December 2005 with any corrections, amendments, or omissions. Thanks, Mike Draft Minutes - RIPE 51 EIX Working Group --------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thursday 13 October 2005 Location: Amsterdam Chair: Mike Hughes (LINX) Scribe: Scott Donald (RIPE NCC) --------------------------------------------------------- Agenda A. Choose a scribe B. RIPE 50 minutes C. IXP Presentations- thirteen short presentations from various IXPs. D. AS-SETs for internet exchanges (Mike Hughes, LINX) E. VoIP peering (Mike Hughes, LINX) Z. AOB ----------------------------------------------------------- A. Choose a scribe Scott Donald from the RIPE NCC volunteered. B. RIPE 50 minutes The minutes of the previous EIX working group at RIPE 50 were approved. C. IXP Presentations 1) Euro-IX Update (Serge Radovcic) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-euro-ix.pdf 2) AMS-IX Update (Cara Mascini) ttp://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-amsix.pdf 3) DE-CIX (Bernhard Krönung) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-decix.pdf Question, Christian Panigl, VIX: is Open BGPD able to do IPv6 ? Bernhard Krönung: yes, it is now ready, they have implemented IPv6. Gert Doering, Spacenet: Not sure about the exact implementation status of IPv6 at the moment, but v6 transport has been working for some time. The route server work continues- they are planning on extensions for separate policy tables per peer. 4) INEX Update (Nick Hilliard) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-inex.pdf Question, Steve Gibbard, Packet Clearing House: what are your traffic numbers ? Nick Hilliard :350-400 MEGs in terms of traffic. Question, Gert Doering: what is the benefit of VoIP peering and what is it? Nick Hilliard : VoIP peering is IP peering, but the peering is not done on the public infrastructure. VoiP gateways are connected together without going over public IP net. Gert Doering: Do they connect VoiP gateway machines or routers? Nick Hilliard: routers with peering using BGP. It is like a private peering group Question, Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom: so you will be doing only PNIs there or is it just another VLAN? Nick Hilliard: it's just another VLAN 5) LINX Update (Mike Hughes) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf//ripe51-eix-linx.pdf Question, Nick Hilliard: What port security mechanisms do you have or not have? Mike Hughes: we don't run spanning tree so that if someone else plugs their switch in or looped their port, it won't cause a loop. 6) NDIX update (Remco van Mook) presentation currently not available. Question, unknown speaker: how much traffic do you have? Remco van Mook: somewhere in the 100s of MEGs 7) LONAP, RIPE 51 Update (Danesh Bhabuta) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-lonap.pdf Question, unknown speaker: you say you support jumbo frames, is anyone actually using them and where are they going? James Rice, Jump Networks: yes we have an ADSL provider who is offering L2TP over the exchange using jumbo frames. But I don't think anyone is actually using them at the moment although it is on offer. 8) NETNOD (Kurtis Lindqvist) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-netnod.pdf Question, unknown speaker: if other people order the fibre do the know where it goes? Kurtis Lindqvist: no, it is kept secret. The fibre providers know where Netnod is though. 9) Norwegian Internet Exchange (Kjetil Otter Olsen) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-nix.pdf 10) NIX.CZ update (Josef Chomyn) presentation currently not available. 11) SFINX Update (Sabine Jaume-Rajaonia) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-sfinx.pdf 12) Terremark (Josh Snowhorn) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-terramark.pdf 13) Vienna Internet Exchange (Christian Panigl) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-vix.pdf D. AS-SETs for internet exchanges (Mike Hughes, LINX) presentation not available. Mike Hughes: LINX have an AS-SET object on the RIPE Database which lists all the AS numbers connected at LINX. This is useful for router configurations and peering. Are any other internet exchanges doing this, and do you think it is an appropriate thing to do? Gert Doering: good idea, and even better to put the organisation name after each AS number on the list as a comment. Mike Hughes: even better if the database could automatically look up the database and add the organisation name. Andy Furnell, LINX: this is a good idea, but a peering set might be even better. Ruediger Volk: the AS-SET is good to have. Anything more than this should go to the database working group I think. Mike Hughes: it seems to be agreed that the AS-SET object is the appropriate object for showing members of internet exchanges on the RIPE Database. E. VoIP Peering (Mike Hughes, LINX) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-voip.pdf Point from unknown speaker: traffic in Miami for VoIP is tiny. Ruediger Volk: there are regulatory issues in Germany as voice is being used, not just IP! Point from unknown speaker: there are no guarantees of quality using VoIP. Providers will want to be sure of quality before offering this service Mike Hughes: VoIP call quality can be better than PSTN in some cases. PSTN call quality in some African countries for example can be very bad. Z. AOB There was no other business. END--- -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike at linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"
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