From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at Tue Sep 4 11:21:56 2007 From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:21:56 +0000 Subject: [dp-tf] Quadlogy of person proposals In-Reply-To: <021E26C2-5194-417D-9BE3-E6B3008A0DC4@icann.org> References: <20070614181258.G23752-100000@capral.ripn.net> <46726D71.6080100@ripe.net> <4672A17A.5050103@ripe.net> <469CB04E.9070405@CC.UniVie.ac.at> <469CCB48.1050005@ripe.net> <021E26C2-5194-417D-9BE3-E6B3008A0DC4@icann.org> Message-ID: <46DD23B4.1070800@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Although it is very late to respond, but still... Leo Vegoda wrote: > Denis, > > On 17 Jul 2007, at 15:59, Denis Walker wrote: > > [...] > >> I see some conflict here between your right not to be identified and my >> right to know who is spamming me. Maybe I want to complain directly to >> the spammer. But if I have to go to the ISP and ask them to identify the >> end user they may just say "sorry we can't give out confidential >> customer information". Then I have to go to court of the police to even >> write a letter of complaint to the spammer. >> >> The RIPE DB is a registry of IP Address information. If we hide the >> bottom layer we change the whole concept. > > > That is a fine principle but probably doesn't fit well with a world > where most consumer network operators are not in a position to fix the > problem. If a consumer's machine is part of a 'botnet' and sending spam > then calling them on the telephone and complaining is unlikely to be > effective. Network operations intelligence sits in ISP and (some) > enterprise networks most of the time, not consumer end sites. As such, > that is the contact information that is needed in the RIPE database. This is actually where the irt: object should come into the picture. It was designed, on purpose, to support that split of interests or responsibilities. Using irt:, an ISP could *very effectively* declare itself "responsible" for operational and security/abuse complaints - while still having the fact registered that a particular address block has been assigned to a customer (and as such not being counted as a self-assignment). Btw, for PA space, we can even support a "search list" or "escalation path" by registering an irt: for the different blocks in the hierarchy :-) > If the problem with going through the police or the courts is that they > take too long then the police and courts need to improve their > interfaces to allow efficient handling of complaints about illegal > activity. Dream on... :-) But yes, I agree, in principle. > Putting the consumer's contact information in the RIPE > database is very unlikely to help resolve this kind of problem and > might even encourage vigilantism. > > Regards, > > Leo Wilfried From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at Wed Sep 5 16:05:44 2007 From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:05:44 +0000 Subject: [dp-tf] planning for RIPE55 Message-ID: <46DEB7B8.7090100@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Folks, as a follow-up on the discussion regarding the availability and quality of "contact data" in the DB, I had an e-chat with Brian, chair of the Anti-Spam WG. We are tossing around an idea to request a slot during the plenary in order to summarize the "problem space". It might be a good idea to put these presentations ("contacts" and "DP-TF") next to each other. What's your opinion? Wilfried. From mis at wari.net Wed Sep 5 17:10:45 2007 From: mis at wari.net (Manfredo Miserocchi) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:10:45 +0000 Subject: [dp-tf] planning for RIPE55 In-Reply-To: <46DEB7B8.7090100@CC.UniVie.ac.at> References: <46DEB7B8.7090100@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Message-ID: All, It'a great idea, of course. Our target is quite different, but could be useful to draw the inter-dependencies to our community. Now, we must interface us with RIPE meeting Plenary schedule. Jochem, are you able to manage in that sense ? Cheers Manfredo -----Original Message----- From: "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" To: DP-TF Dataprotection Taskforce Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:05:44 +0000 Subject: [dp-tf] planning for RIPE55 > Folks, > > as a follow-up on the discussion regarding the availability and > quality of "contact data" in the DB, I had an e-chat with Brian, > chair of the Anti-Spam WG. > > We are tossing around an idea to request a slot during the plenary > in order to summarize the "problem space". It might be a good idea > to put these presentations ("contacts" and "DP-TF") next to each > other. > > What's your opinion? > > Wilfried. > Si precisa che le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservate e ad uso esclusivo del destinatario. Qualora il presente messaggio Le fosse pervenuto per errore, La invitiamo ad eliminarlo senza copiarlo ed a non inoltrarlo a terzi, dandocene gentilmente comunicazione. Grazie. You are hereby informed that this message contains confidential informations intended for the addressee's use only. If yu're not the addressee and have received this message by mistake, please delete it and immediately notify us. You may not copy or disseminate this message to anyone. Thank you. From jochem at ripe.net Thu Sep 6 20:57:33 2007 From: jochem at ripe.net (Jochem de Ruig) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:57:33 +0200 Subject: [dp-tf] planning for RIPE55 In-Reply-To: References: <46DEB7B8.7090100@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Message-ID: <46E04D9D.6000603@ripe.net> Hi, Yes I will take this up with Joao. Regards, Jochem Manfredo Miserocchi wrote: > All, > > It'a great idea, of course. Our target is quite different, but could be > useful to draw the inter-dependencies to our community. > Now, we must interface us with RIPE meeting Plenary schedule. Jochem, are > you able to manage in that sense ? > > Cheers > Manfredo > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" > To: DP-TF Dataprotection Taskforce > Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:05:44 +0000 > Subject: [dp-tf] planning for RIPE55 > > >> Folks, >> >> as a follow-up on the discussion regarding the availability and >> quality of "contact data" in the DB, I had an e-chat with Brian, >> chair of the Anti-Spam WG. >> >> We are tossing around an idea to request a slot during the plenary >> in order to summarize the "problem space". It might be a good idea >> to put these presentations ("contacts" and "DP-TF") next to each >> other. >> >> What's your opinion? >> >> Wilfried. >> >> > > > Si precisa che le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservate e ad uso esclusivo del destinatario. Qualora il presente messaggio Le fosse pervenuto per errore, La invitiamo ad eliminarlo senza copiarlo ed a non inoltrarlo a terzi, dandocene gentilmente comunicazione. Grazie. > > You are hereby informed that this message contains confidential informations intended for the addressee's use only. If yu're not the addressee and have received this message by mistake, please delete it and immediately notify us. You may not copy or disseminate this message to anyone. Thank you. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: