[dns-wg] DNS4EU?

In addition to said by Stephane Google made the technical solution that works for people and attracts them.
Till now DNS4EU looks like an administrative initiative without a clearly defined perspective. If someone would
make a technical solution in the EU and would offer it, and the solution would be solid and resilient there will
not be a necessity in any initiatives.

> On 17 Dec 2021, at 11:21, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at nic.fr> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 01:43:12AM +0000,
> Geoff Huston <gih at apnic.net> wrote 
> a message of 67 lines which said:
> 
>> The problem for everyone else is the incursion of a US private
>> entity into the heart of the Internet’s name resolution
>> infrastructure.
>> 
>> Over the past 16 months the number of EU users who pass queries to
>> Google’s Public DNS has risen from a little over 15% to touching 30%
>> 
>> If you are working in the EC and you see yet another piece of the
>> Internet’s digital communications infrastructure being aggregated
>> and centralized by a gigantic US entity, then wouldn’t you be a
>> little bit disconcerted?
> 
> I think we all understand the starting point, and the concern of the
> EC. The problem is that they apparently don't provide a detailed
> problem analysis. Observing that the market share of US public
> resolvers increases is one thing, understanding why is another thing,
> and which is very important to solve the problem. Was there are survey
> about the reasons for this switch to these resolvers?
> 
> For instance, an important reason (may be the main one) why users use
> US public resolvers is because they don't implement censorship
> (SciHub, football events, music and film sharing). The DNS4EU project
> is silent about whether or not they will have censorship (a
> problematic silence!) but I note that they claim DNS4EU is a lying
> resolver. Even if lies are initially limited to malware and C&C, I
> have no doubt that the IP people (IP not being the Internet Protocol)
> will, as soon as they discover DNS4EU, ask for censorship and they are
> a very powerful lobby. If DNS4EU yields to their requirments, then the
> project is doomed.
> 
>> So I think this is not really about the quality of the alternatives
>> available for European users (and ISPs) in the DNS resolution
>> market.
> 
> I don't think that many people switched to Google or Cloudflare
> because of DNSSEC validation (unfortunately) but may be they switched
> because of technical malfunctions. Each time there is a big breakage
> of the resolver of an IAP, everybody on the social networks advise
> "use 8.8.8.8" and people don't come back after that. So, even if
> DNSSEC doesn't matter, robustness does.
> 
>> to try to stimulate local initiatives to improve the capability of
>> DNS resolution infrastructure in the region.
> 
> Another challenge for DNS4EU will be to provide a quality service:
> managing a big public DNS resolver is not an easy task and I don't
> think that there are many european companies which I would trust for
> that. (At least among the companies that typically win the public
> calls for tender.)
> 
> 
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