[diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0
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Brian Nisbet
brian.nisbet at heanet.ie
Mon Jul 29 10:48:05 CEST 2019
Amanda, I would certainly be very much in favour of you doing that, please. Brian Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > -----Original Message----- > From: Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net> > Sent: Monday 29 July 2019 09:24 > To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>; Sasha Romijn > <sasha at mxsasha.eu>; diversity at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0 > > Fully agree with Brian, > > I think, the idea of having 'enforcement' in our community is a trigger in > general and the instinct is to push against it. > > And there is definitely the very real fear that if there's an implicit expectation > that 'we'll all do our best to make sure bad actors are stopped', then we > could get into a situation where no one acts because they assume someone > else must have already done. > > Would it help if I went over the documentation that Sasha has sent through > and draft a proposal/call for volunteers/scope for a CoC Team to review > now? > > a > > On 29/07/2019 10:12, Brian Nisbet wrote: > > So, I've been looking at this again, and reading the various comments and > it's my impression that the sticking point is the enforcement, because we > seem to agree on everything else? > > > > I mean, text that says "please call things out, don't be a bystander" is easy > and fine, I think? But it also does not solve the problem. > > > > I think the core point here is that change is made and that asking everyone > to do something will not be that change. So I fully agree we need some sort > of group, as other communities have put in place, and I don't think spending > a long time trying to gather data is the right way to go. Mostly because I think > we have that data already. > > > > We are engineers, we can iterate, we can put this group together and if it > fails, we can take it away again. I think we fool ourselves, as humans, into > thinking that someone once there must always be there. Working Groups > have changed, have gone away, lots of other structures and pieces of the > RIPE Community have changed and will continue to change. > > > > So rather than continuing to try to see what's happening and then act, I > very strongly suggest we act and then see what happens. We are a very > strong community, we can take a little risk, so to speak. > > > > Brian > > > > Brian Nisbet > > Service Operations Manager > > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network > > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland > > +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie > > Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: diversity <diversity-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Sasha Romijn > >> Sent: Friday 19 July 2019 13:38 > >> To: diversity at ripe.net > >> Subject: Re: [diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0 > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> This thread has been quiet for a month now. How do we move forward > with > >> this? > >> > >> Sasha > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> diversity mailing list > >> diversity at ripe.net > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity at ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity > >
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