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Amanda Gowland
agowland at ripe.net
Fri Aug 30 16:37:24 CEST 2019
Hi Evaggelos, On 29/08/2019 23:03, Evaggelos Balaskas wrote: > Will all due respect, > > a. I would like to make a remark: > > In my personal opinion, there is a sensitive matter in 'Report Resolutions' > "- Requiring the violator to apologise either privately or publicly ..." > > In some cases the reporter may be in a very difficult position if > needed to face the violator (of even be in the same space) for the > apologies due to emotional duress of the situation. Reading closely this > phrase it is not very clear (at least to me) what is the format (how) of > this requirement. I believe as the note clearly states here: > > "Note: It is up to the reporter if they will accept an apology from the > violator" Yes, 100% agree, a reporter will never be pushed to be present for an apology. If the violator would like to apologise face-to-face, the team should first consult with the reporter to see if this is something they want. I'll have a look at the text to see if I can make this more explicit somehow. > that perhaps it is not a requirement for both parties to be present, > if the reporter does not feel safe (physical or emotional) it is up to > the reporter to make a choice and then the team can handle the apology > with their own discretion. > > > To be honest, I may have not understand it 100% correct, so please > forgive me if such the case. > > > > b. I would also want to make a suggestion: > > Perhaps it is of value to run a simulate instance of violation (as a > CoC training game) and try to handle the situation or even try to > enforce CoC to identify areas of possible improvement. In a few cases > I've noticed [in small conferences] that the lack of experience from the > organizers, even with a CoC in hand, it was hard to handle such > incidents. And some times aggression can escalate conflict instead of > reduce it. This is a really good idea. I think we should also ensure that when we communicate this document again, we make it clear that this is a *new* process and we will need to be mindful of feedback and tweak the process once its being used should something not be working as it should. Many thanks, Amanda > > > Thank you, > > > > On 8/29/19 1:59 PM, Amanda Gowland wrote: >> On 29/08/2019 12:43, Sasha Romijn wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks for your work on the document, Amanda! >>> >>> Other than two points I left as a comment in the document, if I’m >>> reading this right the RIPE chair will, on their own, select the >>> members of the CoC team. How will the RIPE chair do this? What are >>> the considerations that apply to this decision? >> HPH is in the office tomorrow and this is one of the things I want to >> talk to him about...he might have some input about the selection >> process (and I will share that here). >> >> I, personally, don't feel *great* about the selection of the team >> being down to one person either. But it also doesn't make sense to >> have the RIPE NCC EB do it (as they do for the Arbiters Panel). Other >> options could be: >> >> - Decision is made by vote by the community >> - We have a "meta" decision making body that makes the decision(but >> then we're going to need a whole process behind that selection process >> too...) >> - HPH gets input from the Diversity TF on the selection >> >>> I also don’t see any space for someone saying “hey, I don’t think >>> this person should be on the CoC team, for <reason>” (in private and >>> confidential). There are definitely people in this community who I >>> would be very uncomfortable reporting anything to. In established CoC >>> teams, there’s at least the option of checking whether there were any >>> previous reports about new volunteers, but we don’t have any data >>> like that. >> You're right, we should have this in place in the process. We should >> explicitly say that if there are any objections to a potential team >> member, people can confidentially submit their concern...especially >> considering that we don't have any formal way of checking to make sure >> their behaviour hasn't been in violation in the past. >>> I’m also wondering what we can do to attract a diverse group of >>> volunteers. It would be a poor outcome to end up with a CoC team that >>> has little diversity, and consists mainly of usual suspects of our >>> community - I would definitely be more reluctant to report. I don’t >>> immediately have ideas for that. >> Share this concern too - we cannot have a homogenous team. I expect >> that we may need to encourage people we think would be a good fit to >> volunteer. I can also add something in the doc about this...that we >> are aiming for a diverse team. >>> Sasha >>> >>>> On 29 Aug 2019, at 10:26, Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Leo, saw them come in and they are great, thanks! >>>> >>>> Will work those in this morning. >>>> >>>> On 28/08/2019 18:10, Leo Vegoda wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>>> Are we ready to: >>>>>> >>>>>> a) Share the draft CoC Team doc with the wider community so that >>>>>> b) We can ask HPH to declare consensus + open the call for volunteers >>>>> I have reviewed the updated text and made a couple of comments. >>>>> Whether my suggestions are incorporated or not I think this >>>>> document is good and ready to share more widely. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Leo Vegoda >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> diversity mailing list >>>> diversity at ripe.net >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >> >> _______________________________________________ >> diversity mailing list >> diversity at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity
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