[diversity] Feedback, including a piece of friendly and hopefully constructive criticism

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 02:55:42PM +0200, Gergana Petrova wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> About the T-shirts, Amanda, I don't think Theresa was suggesting to
> have only "unisex" T-shirts - she suggeted having two types -
> "fitted" and "unisex". Maybe I am wrong about this, but I haven't
> heard any "opposite feedback" (coming from women, presumably?)
> suggesting we should only have one type of T-shirts for everybody...
> 
> Unisex is not a mix between the male and female cut. The unisex cut
> is basically identical to the cut traditionally associated with men
> (same chest, waist, and hip measurements).
> 
> Basically it's is giving everybody men's cut, but telling women to
> be happy about it, since it's labelled "unisex". I don't see why
> RIPE NCC should only offer "unisex", especially given the diversity
> efforts we are making. The biology of men and women is different.
> Women have breasts, smaller waist, bigger hips. That's why unisex
> (aka men's cut) does not fit women well. I support Theresa's
> suggestion to offer two cuts. As for the labeling, I also support
> labeling them "fitted" and "loose" (rather than "mens" and "womens")
> or any other way, so people can make up their mind themselves.
> 
> In conclusion, I do not believe women should be happy with a staight
> cut, that doesn't fit their biology, simply because it is labelled
> "unisex". I think we should offer two cuts and lablel them in a
> gender-neutral way.

It's not just about the cut, care needs to be taken in how the printing is
laid out. What looks fine on a flat male chest, can look at best weird,
and at worst offensive on a large female chest (think parts of designs cut
ff by boob shape). T-Shirt design is hard. 

Calling a traditional mens cut "unisex" is just wrong. I like the "fitted"
and "unfitted" labelling. 

J
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