[diversity] Proposal for anonymous gender metric question now on RIPE Labs
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Shane Kerr
shane at time-travellers.org
Tue Jun 20 00:04:05 CEST 2017
Denis and all, At 2017-06-15 11:26:15 +0000 denis walker <ripedenis at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks for the update but it is still not acceptable. Surveymonkey is > for cheap, diy surveys. The RIPE NCC sets up and operates the survey. > That is simply NOT acceptable with such sensitive personal data. I think it's fine. > First of all you have the possibility of user error in configuration > and NOT turn off IP address collection. I won't accept the argument > that "this won't happen" or "we will be very careful". I have been in > this industry for a long time. Even the most obvious and simple > configurations are set wrongly at times. This is not set by each user, but by the survey creator. I think it's a good idea to require double-checking this is done correctly before opening registration. (Honestly I find it weird that it's not the default, but I guess people love data...) > Secondly you have the option to look at individual results from > survey users. These include a very precise timestamp. That can be > correlated with the registration data and you can identify > individuals. This is a good point. Maybe we can look to see if there is a way to disable this level of tracking? Alternately indeed some other survey company can be used. > Stop trying to do this on the cheap. If you want to collect such > highly sensitive personal data, contract a third party company to > operate a survey for you and send a report back to the RIPE NCC of > the anonymous data collected. Something like you do for a member or > staff survey. Yes it costs money to do that, but it is the only > acceptable way forward. I disagree. I think this is a reasonable approach. > You are asking a group of mostly technical people to provide this > sensitive personal data. They know how software works and how data is > stored and handled. I doubt anyone from Russia and it's neighbours, > the middle east and parts of Africa will do anything other than > respond with their biological gender. It is too risky to do anything > else, so some will lie. Your results will be meaningless. Any self-reported data has limitations. We know going in that this isn't going to be something we can compare with previous or past data sets, but as I said when I supported this general approach, I think that some data is better than no data. Cheers, -- Shane -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digitale handtekening URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/diversity/attachments/20170619/102eb00c/attachment.sig>
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