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denis walker
ripedenis at gmail.com
Mon Jun 20 12:48:17 CEST 2022
Ronald Throughout this and other discussions you constantly use unprofessional language and personal insults and make unsubstantiated accusations. You don't call a spade a spade, you call a spade a "privacy fetishist" and an "extremist". Personally I don't care what you call me. But if you turn one person away from this discussion because of what you say, that is bad news for this community. I know that IS the case with this privacy discussion. Now you are using the classic double bluff tactic of accusing your opponents of doing what you are doing as a deflection tactic. If you feel I have been unprofessional in my approach to you then by all means raise a code of conduct issue. I will happily defend my position. Otherwise please try to conduct this discussion in a professional manner without the personal insults and accusations. denis On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, 05:56 Ronald F. Guilmette via db-wg, <db-wg at ripe.net> wrote: > In message <CAKvLzuFA0y8mOzPiiy4tHBCRUNUBbQgJc-DD54E-S+0TW= > StiA at mail.gmail.com> > denis walker <ripedenis at gmail.com> wrote: > > >Many of your comments are insulting and unprofessional. Much of what > you've > >written below is utter nonsense. > > Since this is directed at me, very personally, I claim the right of reply. > > If we're going to talk about discourtesy and unprofessionalism, then by all > means let's do that. > > Denis, you have been uncourteous, unprofessional, and dismissive of me and > all of the several informal proposals that I have floated on this list from > the beginning. Not a single one of those proposals has ever received even > any reasoned debate nor any fair hearing here, much less an actual show of > hands. Nontheless, I have noticed that each proposal that -you- have > authored > and/or that -you- have a personal interest in has somehow managed to always > float to the top of the stack for the group's consideration. Now why would > that be, exactly? > > Where I come from "professionalism" involves a bit more than just being > slavish, subserviant, and deferential towards those in positions of > authority. > It also entails the avoidance of even the apperance of a conflict of > interest. > > Apparently, that particular aspect of professionalism has not yet migrated > over to your side of the pond. And thus we have a situation where the > chaiman of a RIPE Working Group is also and simultaneously an active and > vocal advocate for his own pet propoosals, even as he is dismissing others > out of hand that don't appeal to his personal predilections and > preferences. > > This is not the kind of even-handed "neutral referee" role that I > personally > would have hoped for or expected of a Working Group chair, and it does not > comport with "professionalism" in any of the senses in which I understand > that word. > > For my own part, I confess that I am blunt and direct in my style of making > my points. This is something that I am not at all prepared to apologize > for. > I call a spade a spade, and this alone rubs a lot of people the wrong way. > But I have not and do not argue in bad faith, or in favor of any position > or proposition which I do not fully believe in. When I am direct, it is > typically because I see the Right Answer as being both obvious and > unavoidable. > > I am no longer surprised that persons I have argued against often wish to > take issue not with the substance of my arguments, but with the manner of > my presentation. So be it. > > What I can say, and what I do say, by way of defense in the present > context, > is that I have no ulterior motive, no hidden agenda, that I have earnestly > and with candor stated my true position, and that unlike you, denis, I have > no immediately apparent conflict of interest when it comes to the ordering > of, or the consideration of proposals pending before this Working Group. > > > Regard, > rfg > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/db-wg > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/attachments/20220620/2eec8edc/attachment.html>
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