[db-wg] 2022-01 Resource holders identity

Hi Leo

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 18:03, Leo Vegoda <leo at vegoda.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Denis,
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:16 AM denis walker <ripedenis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > I think we should try to establish if the proportion of natural people
> > > that are LIRs is so low
> >
> > It is not only LIRs. So many assignment objects also contain name and
>
> Both problems result in the same outcome - information about
> individuals in the database. But they happen because of different
> processes. And so if we want to address them we should look at those
> processes separately.

I disagree that they are different processes. The process is to
identify natural persons who hold blocks of address space. Whether
they are LIRs holding allocations or End Users holding assignments, it
is the same principle. But again it doesn't really matter. The policy
proposal defines the principles. How those principles are applied to
the process(es) is a matter for the migration/implementation plan.

>
> [...]
>
> > I do see this policy as determining the principles. If approved then
> > there would need to be further community discussion on a migration
> > plan. This is not going to be a quick, overnight fix. Ultimately
> > technical details will drop down to the RIPE NCC.
>
> I must admit I struggled to work out what the proposal published at
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2022-01 would
> change. Does the text define new policy objectives? If so, I couldn't
> find them.

I think this is a matter of terminology.

Principles: Principles are standards we use to guide our behavior in
general. Principles guide action, guide decision, and a principle is
meant to have broad application everywhere the conditions apply.
Principles focus one’s ways and shape the means. They exist to be
useful – over and over again.

Objectives: Objectives are the ends. Objectives are whatever outcome
you are trying to accomplish. They are always measurable and time
bound.

Ultimately, both principles and objectives can shape and guide your
course. Objectives shape your course by what you’re steering towards.
Destination naturally dictates direction. As you pursue objectives,
principles cut in to shape which ways and roads you’ll take, how you
shall proceed. Principles can also rule out certain ways as
undesirable on principle.

The policy proposal primarily defines the principles for the use of
personal data in the RIPE Database. If the policy proposal is
accepted, the objectives will be set out later in a migration plan and
technical overview. This will define a number of steps to apply the
principles to the database.

cheers
denis
proposal author

>
> Regards,
>
> Leo