[db-wg] as-set object(s) to declare AS value frameworks

Niels, All,

I was looking at the RIPE Database Terms & Conditions, and i guess your 
proposal/idea doesn't go against it, and may even roughly match with 
"Scientific research into network operations and topology" on Article 3.

However i don't see how this can change anything in real life routing 
ahead of cost and performance variables. Specifically about your 
examples, GDPR compliance is mandatory for a broad set of orgs, so i 
don't see any real value in adding an ASN to that as-set.
Is this "yet another quality seal/we're part of this bunch" approach?

Sorry for the lack of optimism here :-)

Regards,
Carlos


On Fri, 8 Mar 2019, Niels ten Oever via db-wg wrote:

> Dear Database WG,
>
> Recent public debates on the ethics and social implications of digital technology, as well as the feedback I received on my presentation at RIPE77 [0], have stimulated me to think more about how value frameworks can inform routing decisions.
>
> Based on the analysis of several discussions in the IETF community [1], the ICANN community [2], and the recent book by David Clarke [3], I thought a voluntary declaration of values might be relevant for discussion in the RIPE community. A way of doing this could be the discussion of the introduction of two AS-SET objects in the routing database. This could enable Autonomous Systems to declare the values frameworks they adhere to. An example of possible objects would be:
>
> [object0]
> as-set: AS-GDPR
> remarks: members of this set declare to be compliant with the General Data Protection Regulation of the European Union
> mbrs-by-ref: ANY
> [/object0]
>
> [object1]
> as-set: AS-UNGP
> remarks: members of this set declare to have adopted and implemented the United Nations Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights
> mbrs-by-ref: ANY
> [/object1]
>
> Members of these sets would declare to live up to these values. Based on these sets, other AS-es could, for example,  choose to preferentially route via AS-es that are member of (one of) these sets.
>
> These value frameworks (the GDPR and UNGPs) were chosen because these are widely known and adopted standards in our community [4], so the understanding of these values should not be subject to a lot of interpretation and discussion.
>
> Do you think this would be a reasonable approach, and if so, would you consider becoming a member of (one of) these sets? Or do you think there are better ways to achieve this?
>
> Looking forward to hear what you think.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
> PS I posted a similar e-mail to the routing WG to discuss the routing implications of this proposal. Please accept my apologies if this is considered as cross-posting, but I thought both aspects of this proposal might be interesting to discuss.
>
> [0] https://ripe77.ripe.net/archives/video/2113/
> [1] For instance in the discussions on RFC1958, RFC3935, RFC6873, RFC7258, and RFC8280
> [2] Most notably resulting in the addition of a commitment to human rights during the IANA transition, but of course as well during the extensive WHOIS discussions
> [3] https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/designing-internet
> [4] For instance SIDN has engaged in a Human Rights Impact Assessment https://www.sidn.nl/a/over-sidn/mensenrechten-daar-voldoen-we-toch-aan , and Cisco, Ericsson, Google, NTT, Orange, AT&T, IBM and many others have adopted the UNGPs
> - Cisco https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/cisco-systems-0?keywords=cisco
> - Ericsson https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ericsson-0?keywords=ericsson#a117755
> - Google https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/google-0?keywords=google
> - NTT https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/nippon-telegraph-and-telephone-ntt-group-0 http://www.ntt.co.jp/csr_e/report.html
> - Orange https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/orange-0
> - AT&T https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/att-0?keywords=AT&T
> - IBM https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/ibm-0?keywords=IBM
>
> -- 
> Niels ten Oever
> Researcher and PhD Candidate
> Datactive Research Group
> University of Amsterdam
>
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