[db-wg] History lost ...

I would love to be able to query 'deleted' objects similár as that we currently can with list-version and -show-version .. 

Data being deleted because a parent object is subnetted due to a transfer is not helping in some cases .. 
For instance, if you want to get ip ranges removed from $rbl .. They tend to have 5 years old data on their rbl list .. With the previous subnet size ... So in order to be able to proof that the new transferee is someone else than the person /company they listed ... It helps to have the old data .. 

Regards,
Erik Bais 


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> Op 20 mei 2015 om 18:58 heeft Piotr Strzyzewski <Piotr.Strzyzewski at polsl.pl> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 05:19:55PM +0200, Bengt Gördén wrote:
> 
> Dear Bengt
> 
>> Den 2015-05-19 14:44, Piotr Strzyzewski skrev:
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:45:12PM +0200, Wilfried Woeber wrote:
>>>> Piotr Strzyzewski wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 05:42:59PM +0200, Daniel Suchy wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> From my point of view, there was no formal proposal to discuss. Just an
>>>>> informal question by Eric. It is even unclear which objects are expected
>>>>> to be visible.
>>>> IIRC there were a couple of quite informal discussions about this Q,
>>>> some of them maybe even in the hallways :-)
>>> I have to admit that I deliberately not mentioned them, since they were
>>> (as you wrote) informal. I do believe, that interested parties should
>>> move those informal discussions to this mailing list.
>> 
>> I distinctly remember that we were asked if we wanted to have the deleted 
>> objects viewable. In fact it was at RIPE 66 in Dublin. I'd like to think 
>> that this is formal enough to proceed to next level.
>> 
>> Slide 14.
>> https://ripe66.ripe.net/presentations/186-DB_Update-66.pdf
>> 
>> 13m30s in
>> https://ripe66.ripe.net/archives/video/1174/
>> 
>> I asked about it after RIPE 67.
>> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2013-November/004193.html
> 
> And the answer was:
> 
> "There was no discussion or agreement on taking this any further at RIPE
> 67 or since on the mailing list. If the community would like us to
> provide this service, we can add this to our feature list for a future
> release of the RIPE Database software."
> 
> Since there was almost lack of discussion, my personal proposal is to
> first ask NCC legal department for legal comment about deleted objects
> being viewable. I would suggest limiting the list of possible objects to
> the same for which DB provides --show-version and --list-versions
> nowadays.
> 
> Is it ok with you and the rest of the WG?
> 
> Piotr
> 
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