[db-wg] History lost ...

Hello,
is there any resolution about deleted object in history? Is there any
reason to not publish these data?

With regards,
Daniel

On 13.2.2015 16:54, Erik Bais wrote:
> Hi Edward,
> 
>  
> 
> The deleted objects from the RIPE DB with history (--list-versions and
> --show-version #) is what I’m currently looking for. 
> 
>  
> 
> For instance …  ( I took the next particular inet-num for no specific
> reason but to specify a case where the object is no longer present in
> the database a the original inet-num ..  )
> 
>  
> 
> 93.112.0.0/13   Was as a prefix assigned to an LIR …
> 
>  
> 
> The LIR has been carving out prefixes to various other entities ..
> 
> But no history on the original prefix 93.112.0.0/13 can be found anymore …
> 
>  
> 
> % This object was deleted on 2014-03-18 15:01
> 
>  
> 
> If someone would like to know more about one of the new inet-num’s that
> came out of it .. Let’s say :  93.117.0.0/21 ..
> 
>  
> 
> whois -h whois.ripe.net -- "--list-versions 93.117.176.0/20"
> 
>  
> 
> rev#  Date              Op.   
> 
>  
> 
> 1       2014-08-22 15:45  ADD/UPD
> 
>  
> 
> That particular inet-num shows a creation date … but not where it came
> from .. and it also doesn’t link to the upper original /13 .. and the
> original /13 historic data is also gone. 
> 
>  
> 
> In the case where someone might have a prefix that has been put on a
> blacklist for instance.. and that particular prefix has been on some
> blacklist for some years … split up in various other prefixes..
> 
> The new owner of the prefix can’t show that they are the original
> legitimate owner of the prefix .. and the blacklist operators that
> haven’t updated their RBL to the actual new reality will not move …
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve seen this with several cases with SORBS for instance .. and as
> there is no history anymore … it makes dealing with these companies
> increasingly difficult..
> 
> In the case we talk about PA space .. there is still some trail of
> information on the IPv4 Transfer page .. statistics .. however if we
> talk about Legacy space.. which is not listed there … you are stuck …
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Erik Bais
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> *Van:*db-wg [mailto:db-wg-bounces at ripe.net] *Namens *Edward Shryane
> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 13 februari 2015 11:34
> *Aa**n:*db-wg at ripe.net
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [db-wg] History lost ...
> 
>  
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
>  
> 
> the versions feature is no longer in beta.
> 
>  
> 
> You can query for the version history of a resource, a previous version
> of the object, and the difference between any two versions of an object.
> 
>  
> 
> However, this feature does not list the version history for a deleted
> object, or for any versions before an object was re-created.
> 
>  
> 
> If you have any questions for the RIPE NCC, please contact us.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> Ed Shryane
> 
> RIPE NCC
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>     On 13 Feb 2015, at 01:54, Heather Schiller <heather.skanks at gmail.com
>     <mailto:heather.skanks at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>      
> 
>     Have you looked at:
>      https://labs.ripe.net/Members/kranjbar/proposal-to-display-history-of-objects-in-ripe-database
>      Not sure if this is still in Beta?
> 
>      
> 
>     I don't know the the process or policy of each RIR and am more
>     familiar with ARIN.  ARIN does not get rid of historical
>     information.  They keep the records and make the information
>     available through a service called WhoWas.
>     https://www.arin.net/resources/whowas/index.html
> 
>      
> 
>     --Heather
> 
>      
> 
>     On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:38 PM, William Sylvester
>     <william.sylvester at addrex.net <mailto:william.sylvester at addrex.net>>
>     wrote:
> 
>         Hi,
> 
>          
> 
>         I support this and also was wondering about associated objects
>         like routing objects and in-addrs? This is also an issue for
>         claiming an old block where a locked maintainer was used. It
>         would be nice to have the unlocked maintainer apply for objects
>         related to the block not just the inetnum for example.
> 
>          
> 
>         Thanks,
> 
>         Billy
> 
> 
>         On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Erik Bais <ebais at a2b-internet.com
>         <mailto:ebais at a2b-internet.com>> wrote:
> 
>             Hi,
> 
>              
> 
>             With the IP transfers going in full swing, it is quite
>             common these days that the larger prefix size is broken up
>             in to multiple smaller prefixes..
> 
>              
> 
>             As the original prefix is split up, the IPRA’s remove the
>             original prefix from the database .. and with it .. the
>             history …
> 
>              
> 
>             Is there a way to preserve that data to be able to still
>             lookup the data using –list-versions or –show-version # …
> 
>              
> 
>             Regards,
> 
>             Erik Bais
> 
>      
> 
>  
>