[db-wg] Abuse-C/IRT

Hi,

On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 02:45:58PM -0400, der Mouse wrote:
> >> I do not consider it acceptable for a jurisdiction to allow entities
> >> in it to evade the responsibility I believe they have to be
> >> accountable for public resource fragments assigned to them.
> > The LIR holding the address space *is* visible.
> 
> What good does that do?  None of the LIRs do anything of use about
> broken contact information as far as I can see; the most I've seen
> anyone do is ARIN putting in a little note about "we know this contact
> information is broken, but we're going to let this address space go on
> being used by someone not even we can contact anyway".  (I'm
> paraphrasing rather loosely, of course.)

Now you seem to confuse LIR and RIR?  ARIN is a RIR, and the ISPs holding
the address space would be the LIR.

I agree that a LIR's contact data should always be up-to-date, and
actually enabling people to contact "someone" who can "make things stop".

Unfortunately, not even *this* is currently in place - and IMHO that's a
much worse problem than "having end-user data in there or not".

> > So if one of their customers is doing bad things, you know whom to
> > talk to - and if necessary, sends the feds to.
> 
> Actually, no, because the jurisdiction the LIR is in is not necessarily
> that of the end user.  For example, I, in Canada, have address space
> whose LIR is ARIN, in the US.

ARIN is the RIR (regional internet registry).  The LIR (local internet
registry) would be your local ISP.

There are also direct RIR->end user address blocks.  In those case, it's
of course the RIRs job to make sure that the end user data is there - but
this is not what's being talked about, as there are no such blocks in
IPv6.

> Or is this for values of "LIR" that include all entities who reassign
> their allocated address space?

This is the definition of LIR (at least over here, and since this is a
RIPE list, I stick to the RIPE definitions).

> > If the LIR is "careless" - well, in that case mandatory end-user
> > registrations aren't going to be very useful either.
> 
> Ultimately - if the IANA actually bothered to enforce them - they would
> get a sloppy LIR decommissioned, or at least its own assignemnts
> revoked, which amounts ot the same thing in practice.  (Of course, this

Mixing RIR and LIR again.  But effectively, I agree, if you go down
one level (RIPE -> ISP registry).

Gert Doering
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