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Gert Doering
gert at space.net
Tue May 11 09:52:43 CEST 2004
Hi, On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 02:45:58PM -0400, der Mouse wrote: > >> I do not consider it acceptable for a jurisdiction to allow entities > >> in it to evade the responsibility I believe they have to be > >> accountable for public resource fragments assigned to them. > > The LIR holding the address space *is* visible. > > What good does that do? None of the LIRs do anything of use about > broken contact information as far as I can see; the most I've seen > anyone do is ARIN putting in a little note about "we know this contact > information is broken, but we're going to let this address space go on > being used by someone not even we can contact anyway". (I'm > paraphrasing rather loosely, of course.) Now you seem to confuse LIR and RIR? ARIN is a RIR, and the ISPs holding the address space would be the LIR. I agree that a LIR's contact data should always be up-to-date, and actually enabling people to contact "someone" who can "make things stop". Unfortunately, not even *this* is currently in place - and IMHO that's a much worse problem than "having end-user data in there or not". > > So if one of their customers is doing bad things, you know whom to > > talk to - and if necessary, sends the feds to. > > Actually, no, because the jurisdiction the LIR is in is not necessarily > that of the end user. For example, I, in Canada, have address space > whose LIR is ARIN, in the US. ARIN is the RIR (regional internet registry). The LIR (local internet registry) would be your local ISP. There are also direct RIR->end user address blocks. In those case, it's of course the RIRs job to make sure that the end user data is there - but this is not what's being talked about, as there are no such blocks in IPv6. > Or is this for values of "LIR" that include all entities who reassign > their allocated address space? This is the definition of LIR (at least over here, and since this is a RIPE list, I stick to the RIPE definitions). > > If the LIR is "careless" - well, in that case mandatory end-user > > registrations aren't going to be very useful either. > > Ultimately - if the IANA actually bothered to enforce them - they would > get a sloppy LIR decommissioned, or at least its own assignemnts > revoked, which amounts ot the same thing in practice. (Of course, this Mixing RIR and LIR again. But effectively, I agree, if you go down one level (RIPE -> ISP registry). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster at Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
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