From julf at julf.com Thu May 9 12:13:16 2019 From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius) Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 12:13:16 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cooperation WG session at RIPE78 Message-ID: Here is the agenda for the cooperation WG session. There might still be small adjustments to the talk titles. For once we are not the first morning session after the Whisky BOF... :) Julf & Achilleas - - - 14:00 - 14:05 Intro - Julf / Achilleas 14:05 - 14:30 Council of Europe framework of cooperation with business partners - Patrick Penninckx, Council of Europe 14:30 - 14:55 A human rights assessment for registrar and hosting services - Collin Kurre, Article 19 & Michele Neylon, Blacknight Solutions 14:55 - 15:10 An Update on Continuing Work in the ITU - Chris Buckridge, RIPE NCC 15:10-15:30 Indicators of Flaming - Carolina Are, City University of London From mir at ripe.net Tue May 14 12:21:34 2019 From: mir at ripe.net (Mirjam Kuehne) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 12:21:34 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: EU Regulation Update Message-ID: Dear colleagues, This is the second in an ongoing series in which we give a brief overview of the most pertinent policies currently being proposed, debated and implemented in the European Union. And Internet regulation is definitely a hot topic: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/your-eu-regulation-update-may-2019-edition Kind regards, Mirjam K?hne RIPE NCC From ark at eltex.net Tue May 14 12:33:57 2019 From: ark at eltex.net (Arkenoi) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 13:33:57 +0300 Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: EU Regulation Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I am interested in discussing ideas to replace stupid "cookies law" which did not get much better with GDPR, with something more sensible, what is the proper WG to contact? Sent from my BlackBerry - I do not buy all that "security" nonsense, but I've got a physical keyboard! ? Original Message ? From: mir at ripe.net Sent: May 14, 2019 1:22 PM To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: EU Regulation Update Dear colleagues, This is the second in an ongoing series in which we give a brief overview of the most pertinent policies currently being proposed, debated and implemented in the European Union. And Internet regulation is definitely a hot topic: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/your-eu-regulation-update-may-2019-edition Kind regards, Mirjam K?hne RIPE NCC From mir at ripe.net Tue May 14 14:30:54 2019 From: mir at ripe.net (Mirjam Kuehne) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 14:30:54 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: EU Regulation Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51aadf8c-41de-1238-3c33-f07b7ec3c09c@ripe.net> Dear Arkenoi, The RIPE community does not make any legislation. With this RIPE Labs article we inform the community about recent developments at the EU. I suggest you contact the EU or your local government if you want to discuss changes to existing laws. Kind regards, Mirjam K?hne RIPE NCC On 14/05/2019 12:33, Arkenoi wrote: > > If I am interested in discussing ideas to replace stupid "cookies law" which did not get much better with GDPR, with something more sensible, what is the proper WG to contact? > > > Sent from my BlackBerry - I do not buy all that "security" nonsense, but I've got a physical keyboard! > > > ? Original Message ? > > > > From: mir at ripe.net > Sent: May 14, 2019 1:22 PM > To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net > Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: EU Regulation Update > > > Dear colleagues, > > This is the second in an ongoing series in which we give a brief > overview of the most pertinent policies currently being proposed, > debated and implemented in the European Union. And Internet regulation > is definitely a hot topic: > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/your-eu-regulation-update-may-2019-edition > > Kind regards, > Mirjam K?hne > RIPE NCC > From shane at time-travellers.org Wed May 15 17:39:56 2019 From: shane at time-travellers.org (Shane Kerr) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:39:56 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: EU Regulation Update In-Reply-To: <51aadf8c-41de-1238-3c33-f07b7ec3c09c@ripe.net> References: <51aadf8c-41de-1238-3c33-f07b7ec3c09c@ripe.net> Message-ID: <811126ff-05ae-ae46-57d0-12c333d75c72@time-travellers.org> Mirjam and other colleagues, There is precedent for the RIPE community taking a position on a topic. For example the RIPE DNS Working Group stated a strong option that the DNS root be signed, and a letter signed by the chair of RIPE, the managing director of the RIPE NCC, and the chair of the RIPE DNS working group was sent to ICANN: https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/tf/dnssec-key-repository/ripe-request-icann-sign-dns-root Also, I believe that the RIPE NCC has hired EU lobbyists in the past, so in principle the RIPE community or the RIPE NCC members could ask the RIPE NCC to lobby the EU for a specific purpose (although I am not sure if that is true). I am not suggesting that the RIPE community *should* try to influence laws on browser cookies. But I think that if people want to that RIPE *could* be a place where it is done. Cheers, -- Shane On 14/05/2019 14.30, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > Dear Arkenoi, > > The RIPE community does not make any legislation. With this RIPE Labs > article we inform the community about recent developments at the EU. I > suggest you contact the EU or your local government if you want to > discuss changes to existing laws. > > Kind regards, > Mirjam K?hne > RIPE NCC > > On 14/05/2019 12:33, Arkenoi wrote: >> >> If I am interested in discussing ideas to replace stupid "cookies law" which did not get much better with GDPR, with something more sensible, what is the proper WG to contact? >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry - I do not buy all that "security" nonsense, but I've got a physical keyboard! >> >> >> ? Original Message >> >> >> >> From: mir at ripe.net >> Sent: May 14, 2019 1:22 PM >> To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net >> Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: EU Regulation Update >> >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> This is the second in an ongoing series in which we give a brief >> overview of the most pertinent policies currently being proposed, >> debated and implemented in the European Union. And Internet regulation >> is definitely a hot topic: >> >> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/your-eu-regulation-update-may-2019-edition >> >> Kind regards, >> Mirjam K?hne >> RIPE NCC >> > > > From jim at rfc1035.com Wed May 15 18:03:20 2019 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:03:20 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] RIPE response to government/EU consultations In-Reply-To: <811126ff-05ae-ae46-57d0-12c333d75c72@time-travellers.org> References: <51aadf8c-41de-1238-3c33-f07b7ec3c09c@ripe.net> <811126ff-05ae-ae46-57d0-12c333d75c72@time-travellers.org> Message-ID: <0DB597E6-24C8-44C2-989B-012CC6DFE35C@rfc1035.com> > On 15 May 2019, at 16:39, Shane Kerr wrote: > > There is precedent for the RIPE community taking a position on a topic. For example the RIPE DNS Working Group stated a strong option that the DNS root be signed, and a letter signed by the chair of RIPE, the managing director of the RIPE NCC, and the chair of the RIPE DNS working group was sent to ICANN Shane, that was somewhat of a one-off. It may not be the precedent you?re looking for. There was strong (overwhelming?) consensus in the DNS WG and RIPE community to get the root signed. Preparing and sending that letter to ICANN was also a spontaneous, unprompted act. We didn?t respond to a consultation or a deadline. Which is where I think we are with this cookie thing. > I am not suggesting that the RIPE community *should* try to influence laws on browser cookies. But I think that if people want to that RIPE *could* be a place where it is done. Indeed. I hope the RIPE community can quickly converge on a consensus opinion on cookies and submit this if/when there?s an appropriate consultation on the subject. From julf at julf.com Wed May 22 11:42:07 2019 From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:42:07 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cooperation WG session at RIPE78 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I wrote, there might be small adjustments. We will ask the speakers to try to be slightly short, so we have some spare time at the end to squeeze in a short update on the implications of the Christchurch Call (to combat terrorism online) by Milton Mueller. Julf & Achilleas On 09/05/2019 12:13, Johan Helsingius wrote: > Here is the agenda for the cooperation WG session. There might still > be small adjustments to the talk titles. > > For once we are not the first morning session after the Whisky BOF... :) > > Julf & Achilleas > > - - - > > 14:00 - 14:05 Intro - Julf / Achilleas > > 14:05 - 14:30 Council of Europe framework of cooperation with business > partners - Patrick Penninckx, Council of Europe > > 14:30 - 14:55 A human rights assessment for registrar and hosting > services - Collin Kurre, Article 19 & Michele Neylon, > Blacknight Solutions > > 14:55 - 15:10 An Update on Continuing Work in the ITU - Chris Buckridge, > RIPE NCC > > 15:10-15:30 Indicators of Flaming - Carolina Are, City University of > London > >