[cooperation-wg] Another one MoU bites the dust

The MOU is published here
https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/ncc-euralo-mou.pdf

Together with other MOUs
https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations



On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 at 14:02, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

> Alexander
>
> It was discussed briefly on the EURALO mailing list
>
> I've no idea what if any value it brings.
>
> Olivier might be able to enlighten us.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
>
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> On 02/11/2017, 06:31, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Alexander Isavnin" <
> cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of isavnin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Congratulations!
>
>     Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO.
>     I have really strange feeling about it.
>     Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my
> Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i
> need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of
> RIPE NCC?
>     Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier
> Crepin-Leblond?
>
>     And there are more questions:
>     What kind of additional understanding needed between such
> organizations?
>     Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no
> close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi?
>     How to measure reasonability of such memorandums?
>
>     And even more, really important:
>     How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs?
>     I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry.
>     NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to
> understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions
> of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme
> at all.
>     (also question effectiveness of RACI in region).
>
>     So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs.
>     I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate
> "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have
> possibility to report on cooperation.
>
>     In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans
> could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry -
> brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco
> regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry".
>
>     There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system.
>     Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates
> importance of that MoU.
>
>     Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made.
>     Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at
> this moment).
>
>     Kind regards,
>     Alexander Isavnin
>
>     Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
>
>
>
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