From mike.oghia at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 11:31:08 2017 From: mike.oghia at gmail.com (Michael Oghia) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:31:08 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] EuroDIG sustainable access roundtable Message-ID: Dear colleagues, For those of you who don't know me, my name is Michael Oghia. I am a young professional who entered the Internet governance community a little less than two years ago, largely thanks to the Internet Society awarding me an ambassadorship to the 2015 Internet Governance Forum. Since then, I have dedicated myself to sustainable accessibility (including writing about the relationship between sustainability and the Internet, as well as speaking about it). Now, I am organizing and moderating my first roundtable as a community member: Workshop 11 at the European Dialogue on Internet Governance (EuroDIG) next week. Especially given the current political climate, the timely workshop will focus on sustainable access and digital pollution, specifically how *we cannot legitimately address Internet access without addressing sustainability*. Our keynote speaker is Dr. Mike Hazas of the University of Lancaster, a sustainable ICT researcher and one of the people who originally inspired me to start investigating the relationship between the Internet and sustainability. *We are also going to have on-site e-waste recycling bins available in case anyone has e-waste they need to discard but are unsure of how or where to do so, so please bring it with you to Tallinn if you are traveling to EuroDIG.* In case any of you are interested in this session, join us either in person in Tallinn or online on *Wednesday, June 7 at 2:00 PM (GMT+3) *(details in the attached photo). You can also check out our wiki page at: https://eurodigwiki.org/wiki/WS_11_2017 Many thanks to Chris Buckridge of the RIPE NCC for all of his support, and to EES-Ringlus , a local Estonian e-waste recycling organization. And thank you to everyone who continues to encourage me to be part of this community and help keep the Internet open, free, and sustainable. Warmest regards, -Michael __________________ Michael J. Oghia EuroDIG 2017 focal point (WS 11 ) Independent #netgov consultant & editor Belgrade, Serbia Skype: mikeoghia Twitter *|* LinkedIn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Buckridge External Relations Manager RIPE NCC From jim at rfc1035.com Tue Jun 6 10:01:18 2017 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:01:18 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] redundant geography lessons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76566D4E-7422-4E26-A585-735A00D8D0D9@rfc1035.com> > On 6 Jun 2017, at 08:55, Chris Buckridge wrote: > > As you may be aware, EuroDIG, the European Dialogue on Internet Governance, is now underway in Tallinn, Estonia. Where else could Tallinn be? BTW is that Estonia, Europe? From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:05:47 2017 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:05:47 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] EuroDIG 2017 - RIPE NCC live blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Chris. And to the rest of the NCC team. And if there are others from the Coop WG maybe they could chip in too? Looking forward to reading your comments. Gordon > On 06 Jun 2017, at 09:55, Chris Buckridge wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > As you may be aware, EuroDIG, the European Dialogue on Internet Governance, is now underway in Tallinn, Estonia. The RIPE NCC have a small group here, and will be blogging from the event on RIPE Labs. You can follow here: > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/chrisb/eurodig-2017-liveblog > > Cheers > Chris > > ??? > Chris Buckridge > External Relations Manager > RIPE NCC From paf at frobbit.se Tue Jun 6 12:40:57 2017 From: paf at frobbit.se (Patrik =?utf-8?b?RsOkbHRzdHLDtm0=?=) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 13:40:57 +0300 Subject: [cooperation-wg] EuroDIG 2017 - RIPE NCC live blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425B11BF-3FF5-4AB6-805B-309D327C7324@frobbit.se> Let me phrase my participation in EuroDIG this way... I was not going to go there, but, then it was pointed out to me that there is this session on "multistakeholder governance of cybersecurity". Having that discussed in Estonia (or around the Baltic) today, I felt I just had to go there. The rest is left as an exercise for the reader. paf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 203 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:49:00 2017 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:49:00 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] redundant geography lessons In-Reply-To: <76566D4E-7422-4E26-A585-735A00D8D0D9@rfc1035.com> References: <76566D4E-7422-4E26-A585-735A00D8D0D9@rfc1035.com> Message-ID: <038CE093-143F-439C-B525-E99D113BBF26@gmail.com> Moscow is a hamlet in East Ayrshire in Scotland. London is a city in Southwestern Ontario, Canada along the Quebec City?Windsor Corridor. Paris is a city and county seat of Lamar County, Texas, United States. Glasgow is a settlement in the Nickerie District of northern Suriname, about eight kilometres from the district capital, Nieuw Nickerie. And so on? But in doing my ?research? - in Wikipedia! - I was amused to read: "Following a tradition of American cities named "Paris", the city commissioned a 65-foot (20 m) replica of the Eiffel Tower in 1993 and installed it in the square. In 1998, presumably as a response to the 1993 construction of a 60-foot (18 m) tower in Paris, Tennessee, the city placed a giant red cowboy hat atop its tower. The current tower is at least the second Eiffel Tower replica built in Paris; the first was constructed of wood and later destroyed by a tornado.? Gordon - been on this planet for a while now. But still learning! ;-) > On 6 Jun 2017, at 10:01, Jim Reid wrote: > > >> On 6 Jun 2017, at 08:55, Chris Buckridge wrote: >> >> As you may be aware, EuroDIG, the European Dialogue on Internet Governance, is now underway in Tallinn, Estonia. > > Where else could Tallinn be? BTW is that Estonia, Europe? From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 21:03:28 2017 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 21:03:28 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] dotEU regulation Message-ID: <4964DF35-5570-4C3D-85BC-E8AF887DBC8D@gmail.com> The European Commission is looking again at the regulations they have for dotEU: http://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/ares-2017-2402460 Thee is a public consultation underway: http://ec.europa.eu/info/consultations/public-consultation-evaluation-and-revision-eu-top-level-domain-regulations_en There has already been some feedback: http://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/ares-2017-2402460/feedback/F1759_en Gordon From michele at blacknight.com Thu Jun 8 11:44:26 2017 From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 09:44:26 +0000 Subject: [cooperation-wg] dotEU regulation In-Reply-To: <4964DF35-5570-4C3D-85BC-E8AF887DBC8D@gmail.com> References: <4964DF35-5570-4C3D-85BC-E8AF887DBC8D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gordon There?s also a questionnaire that is relatively quick and easy to fill out: https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/DotEUConsultation I summarised some of the key bits here: https://www.internetnews.me/2017/05/15/eu-commission-opens-public-consultation-eu-domain/ Some of the questions are a little odd and I?m not sure if they?re being driven by the Commission or EURid. EURid themselves have been doing some rather weird things recently, so I?m finding the entire situation a little confusing Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 07/06/2017, 20:04, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Gordon Lennox" wrote: The European Commission is looking again at the regulations they have for dotEU: http://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/ares-2017-2402460 Thee is a public consultation underway: http://ec.europa.eu/info/consultations/public-consultation-evaluation-and-revision-eu-top-level-domain-regulations_en There has already been some feedback: http://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/ares-2017-2402460/feedback/F1759_en Gordon From mir at ripe.net Fri Jun 23 14:49:13 2017 From: mir at ripe.net (Mirjam Kuehne) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 14:49:13 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: Why Sustainability is Good for the Internet Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Please find this interesting article by Michael Oghia on RIPE Labs: Sustainability is Good for the Internet (and Business too) https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/sustainability-is-good-for-the-internet-and-business-too Note the example about the Armenia Internet Exchange and how they tackled their growing energy bills by installing solar panels. Kind regards, Mirjam K?hne RIPE NCC From malcolm at linx.net Wed Jun 28 12:04:23 2017 From: malcolm at linx.net (Malcolm Hutty) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:04:23 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Fwd: (CGN) European Commission PQ response In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e3b44d4-a3b4-300b-aa93-61b3c1a6e227@linx.net> The Co-operation WG may be interested in the following report of a reply by a European Commissioner to a European Parliamentary question about Carrier Grade NAT - not least because the reply refers to this WG by name. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: (CGN) European Commission PQ response Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:37:47 +0000 From: Owen Bennett To: DG-Euroispa cybersecurity Dear EuroISPA Cybersecurity committee, The European Commission has published its answer to a recent European Parliament parliamentary question*concerning ISPs? deployment of CGN (carrier-grade network access translation) and the so-called ?going-dark? problem.* To remind, ISPs are under increasing pressure from law enforcement with regard to their use of CGN technology ? the fact of putting multiple users behind individual IP addresses is said to stifle law enforcement investigations of crimes with an online component. The Commission?s response to the parliamentary question is pertinent for EuroISPA in that it is one of the first times where the Institution has addressed the CGN matter in an official /on the record /capacity. As you will see, the Commission?s response falls short of calling for regulatory intervention to limit CGN deployment, and even goes as far as to label CGN deployment ?unavoidable?. We will continue to monitor this matter at EU-level and keep members updated. Kind regards, Owen *** *Question of MEP Agnew (EFDD, UK), Carrier Grade Network Access Translation , 17 February 2017* /[Europol recently held a meeting to discuss CGN technologies that have long been used by ISPs to delay the capex required to extend the current pool of IP addresses (CGN technologies are used by ISPs to share one single IP address among multiple subscribers at the same time)./ /Does the Commission agree that restricting the continued use of CGN, simply on the grounds that Europol finds it inconvenient to monitor, is a retrograde step and an unacceptable interference with current commercial practice and freedom of technological choice?]/ *Answer given by Commissioner Avramopoulos on behalf of the European Commission, 26 June 2017 * /[The Commission is aware that law enforcement authorities have raised certain concerns regarding the increasing use of Carrier-Grade Network Address Translation (CGN) technology. CGN enables a single Internet Protocol (IP) address to be shared by potentially thousands or hundreds of thousands of subscribers at the same time since there is not enough capacity under the current IP version 4 (IPv) to meet demand. This makes it technically very difficult for an internet service provider to identify an individual subscriber in response to legitimate requests from law enforcement authorities. Consequently, it is difficult to attribute crime and identify criminals using that particular IP address. Europol thus has legitimate concerns regarding CGN or other forms of address sharing, which may also have a negative impact on fraud detection or intrusion detection systems. They may also have other negative consequences, such as overall performance degradation of connections or even, in some cases, certain applications not working at all. / / / /The expedited deployment of IP version 6 (IPv6)//on a global scale and by all stakeholders would mitigate the problems and also offer new opportunities to service providers. In the short term, however, the use of IPv4 address-sharing is unavoidable, as there are still a significant number of users, services and applications that function only with IPv4. At the same time, the Commission is not aware of any proposals to restrict the continued use of CGN, but rather of efforts being made to raise awareness about the issue, share best practices and find ways to facilitate the attribution of crime. It intends to raise the issue to RIPE (R?seaux IP Europ?ens) via its representative who is chairing RIPE's Cooperation Working Group.]/ *** *Owen Bennett* Policy Executive *EuroISPA - European Internet Services Providers Association * Rue du Commerce 124/5 - 1000 Brussels T: +32 (0)2 550 41 22 www.euroispa.org Follow us on Twitter *@euroispa * *EuroISPA is the world's largest association of Internet Services Providers, representing over 2500 ISPs across Europe.* EU Transparency Register ID Number: 54437813115-56 From mike.oghia at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 12:25:02 2017 From: mike.oghia at gmail.com (Michael Oghia) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:25:02 +0300 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Fwd: (CGN) European Commission PQ response In-Reply-To: <4e3b44d4-a3b4-300b-aa93-61b3c1a6e227@linx.net> References: <4e3b44d4-a3b4-300b-aa93-61b3c1a6e227@linx.net> Message-ID: Hi Malcolm, all: Thanks for sharing this. I encourage anyone interested in this topic and potential areas of collaboration to check out a session organized by the RIPE NCC's own Richard Learning at EuroDIG 2017 earlier this month: https://eurodigwiki.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_on_the_Internet_%E2%80%93_identifying_common_solutions_%E2%80%93_WS_4_2017 Best, -Michael __________________ Michael J. Oghia Independent #netgov consultant & editor Belgrade, Serbia Skype: mikeoghia Twitter *|* LinkedIn On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Malcolm Hutty wrote: > The Co-operation WG may be interested in the following report of a reply > by a European Commissioner to a European Parliamentary question about > Carrier Grade NAT - not least because the reply refers to this WG by name. > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: (CGN) European Commission PQ response > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:37:47 +0000 > From: Owen Bennett > To: DG-Euroispa cybersecurity > > > > Dear EuroISPA Cybersecurity committee, > > > The European Commission has published its answer to a recent European > Parliament parliamentary question*concerning ISPs? deployment of CGN > (carrier-grade network access translation) and the so-called > ?going-dark? problem.* > > > To remind, ISPs are under increasing pressure from law enforcement with > regard to their use of CGN technology ? the fact of putting multiple > users behind individual IP addresses is said to stifle law enforcement > investigations of crimes with an online component. > > > The Commission?s response to the parliamentary question is pertinent for > EuroISPA in that it is one of the first times where the Institution has > addressed the CGN matter in an official /on the record /capacity. > > > As you will see, the Commission?s response falls short of calling for > regulatory intervention to limit CGN deployment, and even goes as far as > to label CGN deployment ?unavoidable?. > > > We will continue to monitor this matter at EU-level and keep members > updated. > > > Kind regards, > > Owen > > > *** > > *Question of MEP Agnew (EFDD, UK), Carrier Grade Network Access > Translation > 2f%2fEP%2f%2fTEXT%2bWQ%2bE-2017-001101%2b0%2bDOC%2bXML% > 2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN>, > 17 February 2017* > > /[Europol recently held a meeting to discuss CGN technologies that have > long been used by ISPs to delay the capex required to extend the current > pool of IP addresses (CGN technologies are used by ISPs to share one > single IP address among multiple subscribers at the same time)./ > > /Does the Commission agree that restricting the continued use of CGN, > simply on the grounds that Europol finds it inconvenient to monitor, is > a retrograde step and an unacceptable interference with current > commercial practice and freedom of technological choice?]/ > > *Answer given by Commissioner Avramopoulos > reference=E-2017-001101&language=EN> > on behalf of the European Commission, 26 June 2017 * > > > /[The Commission is aware that law enforcement authorities have raised > certain concerns regarding the increasing use of Carrier-Grade Network > Address Translation (CGN) technology. CGN enables a single Internet > Protocol (IP) address to be shared by potentially thousands or hundreds > of thousands of subscribers at the same time since there is not enough > capacity under the current IP version 4 (IPv) to meet demand. This makes > it technically very difficult for an internet service provider to > identify an individual subscriber in response to legitimate requests > from law enforcement authorities. Consequently, it is difficult to > attribute crime and identify criminals using that particular IP address. > Europol thus has legitimate concerns regarding CGN or other forms of > address sharing, which may also have a negative impact on fraud > detection or intrusion detection systems. They may also have other > negative consequences, such as overall performance degradation of > connections or even, in some cases, certain applications not working at > all. / > > / / > > /The expedited deployment of IP version 6 (IPv6)//on a global scale and > by all stakeholders would mitigate the problems and also offer new > opportunities to service providers. In the short term, however, the use > of IPv4 address-sharing is unavoidable, as there are still a significant > number of users, services and applications that function only with IPv4. > At the same time, the Commission is not aware of any proposals to > restrict the continued use of CGN, but rather of efforts being made to > raise awareness about the issue, share best practices and find ways to > facilitate the attribution of crime. It intends to raise the issue to > RIPE (R?seaux IP Europ?ens) via its representative who is chairing > RIPE's Cooperation Working Group.]/ > > > *** > > > *Owen Bennett* > > Policy Executive > *EuroISPA - European Internet Services Providers Association * > Rue du Commerce 124/5 - 1000 Brussels > T: +32 (0)2 550 41 22 > www.euroispa.org > > Follow us on Twitter *@euroispa * > > > *EuroISPA is the world's largest association of Internet Services > Providers, representing over 2500 ISPs across Europe.* > > EU Transparency Register ID Number: 54437813115-56 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the European Commission were minded to intervene to force operators to improve the traceability of online communications to facilitate law enforcement investigations, I would expect DG HOME would likely be the lead on that, or at least the prime instigator. So in this context I take it as a more interesting to hear from the Commissioner for Home Affairs that he accepts CGN is "unavoidable" than to hear the same thing from the Commissioner for the Digital Single Market. It seems a stronger signal that no regulatory intervention is likely, at least for the time being. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, 24 Monument Street London EC3R 8AJ Company Registered in England No. 3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA From rleaning at ripe.net Thu Jun 29 16:09:48 2017 From: rleaning at ripe.net (Richard Leaning) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:09:48 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] (CGN) European Commission PQ response In-Reply-To: References: <4e3b44d4-a3b4-300b-aa93-61b3c1a6e227@linx.net> <6968B589-2CD7-49ED-B91D-C5E09310909C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FF353D6-3086-447E-8660-2F39FD3E1A34@ripe.net> Dear WG Members, I can confirm that DG HOME are the lead in the context of this messaging on CGN and LEA. Of course there are overlaps on this issue with other DG?s but Europol (EC3) come under the responsibility of DG HOME. Kind regards Richard Richard Leaning External Relations RIPE NCC > On 29 Jun 2017, at 09:39, Malcolm Hutty wrote: > > On 28/06/2017 20:18, Gordon Lennox wrote: >> The commissioner in question is not in charge of DG Connect, as one might have expected, but DG Migration and Home Affairs. > > If the European Commission were minded to intervene to force operators > to improve the traceability of online communications to facilitate law > enforcement investigations, I would expect DG HOME would likely be the > lead on that, or at least the prime instigator. > > So in this context I take it as a more interesting to hear from the > Commissioner for Home Affairs that he accepts CGN is "unavoidable" than > to hear the same thing from the Commissioner for the Digital Single > Market. 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